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<p>Mike, please refrain from saying that everything people say in
this list against your ideas or interests is "ad hominem".</p>
<p>Chris points are perfectly valid and reasonable, but instead each
and every time you face an message that you dislike in a
discussion your may have interest you find a way to accuse others
to use "ad hominem" arguments. Every time !<br>
Different people have put different points in order to not support
this proposal technically or not, most of these points make a fair
amount of sense and there is nothing wrong to mention the interest
certain parts of community as brokers have in these questions as
something isolated that not necessary benefit the community as a
point to show the proposal may not be good to advance. Let people
understand how they prefer and form their own opinion instead of
everytime someone mentioned the word "broker" you get offended.</p>
<p>Some Brokers have been doing a good work in facilitating move of
cold resources in the transfer market according to current
policies from most RIRs, but unfortunately there have been
situations where they seem to have been involved in controversial
situations so it is fair for members of the community to look from
a different perspective from anything proposed by a representative
of this class and wish to scrutinize the matter more in deep.<br>
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<p>Therefore don't get offended too quickly and try to focus on
discussing the merit of the proposal because trying to clash with
everyone that speaks out their opposition to a proposal will not
make any good to advance it.<br>
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<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/09/2021 19:48, Mike Burns wrote:<br>
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<div>Not sure how experienced you are with this, but this
proposal has only been out for a few hours and any talk about
"keeping it alive" is a tad early.<br>
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<div>Also, you might brush up on the concept of ad hominem. It
means against the person(s). It could be only brokers who
support a policy and if there are no valid objections, that
support should carry the day.<br>
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<div>Now, do you have any objections that you would care to
share, other than your original one (which I think Owen
dispensed with)?<br>
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<b>Chris Woodfield <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chris@semihuman.com"><chris@semihuman.com></a></b> wrote
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> On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Mike Burns <<a
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> Hi Noah, <br>
> <br>
> Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline. <br>
> <br>
> “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who
don't necessarily provide any form of network services. It
does make sense for a broker to defend this model.” <br>
> <br>
> Noah that is a meaningless ad hominem, every transfer
has a recipient. <br>
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You are not incorrect here - it takes two to tango, so to
speak. And brokers are an important segment of the ARIN
community, to the extent that representatives of IP
brokers have been elected to the ARIN AC. <br>
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That said, one of the requirements for a Draft Policy to
move forward to an RDP is, per section 4.3:, "Changes to
policy must be shown to have a strong level of support in
the community in order to be adopted.” Reading the replies
to this thread so far, the only community members that
have voiced support for this proposal have been
representatives of IP brokers. Correct me if I’ve missed
any, but I see zero statements of support so far from
members of any other segment of the ARIN community. <br>
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I would be very surprised if the AC would advance to RDP a
policy proposal that has support of only one segment of
the community, and as far as I can tell, universal
opposition from those who are not in that segment. If you
are an operator, ISP, or content provider who would
benefit from this, I would recommend that you speak up in
order to keep this proposal alive. <br>
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Thanks, <br>
<br>
-Chris <br>
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