<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 10:27 , Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 21/09/2021 14:22, Owen DeLong via
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      This policy doesn’t affect that… Leasing of address space you
      already have is permitted under current policy and cannot be
      grounds for revocation of address space.
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      <div class="">The change in this policy proposal is not to permit
        or deny leasing, but to permit leased addresses to be considered
        utilized for purposes of determining eligibility for additional
        address acquisition.</div>
    </blockquote><p class="">Which makes this proposal even worst and not beneficial to anyone
      except to those who profit from these leases.<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div>I guess that depends on how you define those that profit from the leases.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you mean those who can obtain addresses without a massive capital outlay and those issuing the leases, then sure.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you mean only those issuing the leases, then I think you are missing a constituency here.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In reality, if leasing benefited noone besides the lessors, we wouldn’t have leasing in the first place. Nobody subscribes to a business offering they do not believe is to their benefit.</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">How on earth can leased addresses be considered something normal
      or acceptable to justify for additional address acquisition ? 
      This is so out of mind that it is hard to understand how can this
      be even proposed.<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t honestly have an opinion or care one way or another about the policy, but leasing of addresses with or without connectivity has been normal since the inception of LIRs.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">
    </p><p class="">Fernando<br class="">
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            <div class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 08:22 , Chris Woodfield
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                in opposition. I do not support the practice of leasing
                IP address resources. Organizations who have received
                larger amounts of IP address space than what they are
                efficiently utilizing are free to relieve themselves of
                their excess space via the transfer market.
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                      <div class="">On Sep 21, 2021, at 8:06 AM, ARIN
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                            16 September 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council
                            (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-302: Remove Circuit
                            Requirement " as a Draft Policy.</div>
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                            Policy ARIN-2021-6 is below and can be found
                            at:</div>
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                            are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies
                            on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion
                            in order to assess the conformance of this
                            draft policy with ARIN's Principles of
                            Internet number resource policy as stated in
                            the Policy Development Process (PDP).
                            Specifically, these principles are:</div>
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                            Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource
                            Administration</div>
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                            Technically Sound</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
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                            PDP can be found at:</div>
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                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Draft
                            Policies and Proposals under discussion can
                            be found at:</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
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                            Hopkins</div>
                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Senior
                            Policy Analyst</div>
                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">American
                            Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Draft
                            Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit
                            Requirement<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in;
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                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Problem
                            Statement:</div>
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                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Current
                            ARIN policy prevents the use of leased-out
                            addresses as evidence of utilization.</div>
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                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Policy
                            statement:</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Replace</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“2.4.
                            Local Internet Registry (LIR) A Local
                            Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that
                            primarily assigns address space to the users
                            of the network services that it provides.
                            LIRs are generally Internet Service
                            Providers (ISPs), whose customers are
                            primarily end users and possibly other
                            ISPs.”</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">with</div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt;
                            font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“2.4.
                            Local Internet Registry (LIR) A Local
                            Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that
                            primarily assigns address space to users of
                            the network. LIRs are generally Internet
                            Service Providers (ISPs), whose customers
                            are primarily end users and possibly other
                            ISPs.”</div>
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                            for implementation: Immediate</div>
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