<div><br></div><div dir="auto">Makes me want to say ‘let’s see the book’. It is an historic artifact that should be scanned and posted somewhere for reference. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 8:08 PM Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I got my first 4 blocks (1 class B, and 3 class C blocks (pre-CIDR) in 4 different sites in 4 cities in 4 states) of addresses in ’88 (I know the year because my NIC handle was MA88 and I had noted that both where 88, a coincidence but just the same memorable). Even then there where formal procedures. The organisation was noted in whois. You where expected to keep those records up to date. Yes, I know Jon did allocate some addresses less formally but most of the pre-ARIN allocations where formally recorded.<br>
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Mark<br>
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> On 16 Sep 2021, at 03:59, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Paul,<br>
> <br>
> It was interesting reading about your problem, your take on matters, the experience and history with ARIN. Thank you for that.<br>
> <br>
> While I can appreciate ARIN's position from the perspective of 'how do they know', I can appreciate yours too. We're not talking about criminal courts and beyond reasonable doubts. Jon Postel's pre RIR legacy assignments are hand written in a notebook. If that's good enough documentation to establish legacy assignment then providing "reasonable" proof that an address was provided for legitimate use would make a lot of sense to me. However, and admittedly, it's not that simple. Mostly because we don't want it to be. To some extent, because it can't be. You are a victim of "progress".<br>
> <br>
> Warm regards, and good luck;<br>
> <br>
> -M<<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:05 PM Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> I need to make a slight correction.<br>
> I am semi retired from our Internet company and my son runs the show.<br>
> He is a triple major Engineer and is PE certifiable in each of the 3 areas.<br>
> He says he has deployed IPv6 to subscribers.<br>
> But Simple and Cheap NO.<br>
> 5 years and a complete forklift to all subscribers.<br>
> The issues happens at the head end router.<br>
> My son is an University educated Enginner.<br>
> His under graduate work was in Network Engineering.<br>
> He was offered a bypass of Master's Degree and go straight into PHD Network Engineering<br>
> Graduated Summa Cum Laude, so he's not an Idiot<br>
> Well maybe he is. He choose our WISP over the PHD.<br>
> He says IPv6 does work for the last mile but on our redundant backhaul loops it has some shortcomings.<br>
> And our multi-homing has some issues with IPv6.<br>
> <br>
> Thought I would make these corrections.<br>
> Just an old, fat, grumpy guy and former Guru that has outlived his usefulness<br>
> Paul McNary<br>
> <br>
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> > On Sep 14, 2021, at 22:50 , <a href="mailto:scott@solarnetone.org" target="_blank">scott@solarnetone.org</a> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 22:42 , <a href="mailto:scott@solarnetone.org" target="_blank">scott@solarnetone.org</a> wrote:<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>>> Nobody I know has found a way to do lossless packing of 128 bits into a 32 bit field yet. Until you can achieve that, compatibility is rather limited.<br>
> >>>> <br>
> >>>> Please present your solution here.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Encode it in four sequential packets, 32 bits per, and add logic to parse those malformed addresses in the routing daemons.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Either I’m missing something, or that’s not going to be functional when those 4 packets reach the IPv4-Only end host and it has to reply.<br>
> > <br>
> > Maybe, but that is not the challenge you presented:)<br>
> <br>
> Fair enough… In context, the challenge I presented was about getting an IPv4-only host with no changes to software to be able to engage<br>
> in bidirectional communication with remote hosts that live in a 128 bit address space. Yes, you are correct the the way I abbreviated my<br>
> expression of that particular challenge was not complete in itself without the additional context.<br>
> <br>
> > Seriously, some manner of stateful 6/4 nat or header mangling is going to be required upstream of the legacy device to translate.<br>
> <br>
> Yeah, but because of the way IPv4 has been implemented (protocols that embed addresses, expectations of dealing with rendezvous<br>
> hosts, NAT traversal assumptions, etc.), it turns out that evenstateful 6/4 NAT is unnecessarily hard and unreliable at best.<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
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