<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 7, 2021, at 9:26 AM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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On 7 Sep 2021, at 11:54 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">As it turns out, we already handle situations like this as ARIN customers who receive number resources make certain representations about their need/intended utilization for the resources. There are occasions where we have
to go back and review the actual deployment of the addresses – and that can become a rather detailed process for folks who don’t have any alignment between their claimed intended usage and apparent reality.
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We will number X internet connected hosts on our own infrastructure </div>
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<div class="">That is fine and routinely satisfied. </div>
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<div class="">and Y internet connected hosts on our customers’ networks.<br class="">
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<div class="">That’s not considered part of your technical need for your organization's network, and would be excluded. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I’m talking about in an LIR application, not end user… Try again.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">Would ARIN decline such a request? If so, where in policy is the basis to decline such a request?</div>
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<div class="">The portion related to another organization’s technical need for number resources would be declined, as the conservation principle in NRPM section 1 requires that ARIN issues number resources to organizations based on their _technical need_ in support
of operational networks – </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>So how do LIRs work in the ARIN region under this circumstance?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>How does Comcast have so much space if they don’t distribute a lot of it to their customers under ARIN policy?</div><div>Same question for AT&T, Verizon, AWS, Microsoft, XO Communications, Savvis, Century Link (or whatever they call themselves this week), etc.?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">1. Principles and Goals of the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">1.2. Conservation<br class="">
The principle of conservation guarantees sustainability of the Internet through efficient utilization of unique number resources.<br class="">
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Due to the requirement for uniqueness, Internet number resources of each type are drawn from a common number space.
<b class="">Conservation of these common number spaces requires that Internet number resources be efficiently distributed to those organizations who have a technical need for them in support of operational networks.</b></blockquote>
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<div class="">If for some reason you’d like the concept of “technical need" for number resources to somehow be redefined to encompass your financial desire to satisfy the number resource needs of other organizations, then submit a proposal to change policy accordingly
for consideration by the ARIN community. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Nope… I’m fine with current policy, but I don’t think you’ve answered the actual question as it appears that you’ve applied end-user criteria to what I am terming as an LIR request.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>