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On 5 Sep 2021, at 1:05 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">i.e. it was the presence of a transfer policy that enabled forward progress in the region, as absence of such would have led to a rather indeterminate state given the rapidly growing expectations in this regard.
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Indeed, if I remember the history correctly, the board strong-armed the AC on the issue in question, making very strong suggestions that if we didn’t move such a policy forward, they would. Then, once we did move a policy forward, the board decided they didn’t
like it and used the emergency process to create a significantly different one, leading to significant community outrage followed by some significant reforms to the emergency PDP in the region.<br class="">
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If you remember the history differently, feel free to correct me.</div>
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<div class="">The entire history is quite well-documented; it is just your characterization of events that is faulty. </div>
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<div class="">My recollection is quite good on this topic, but if you wish a refresher you can read the full history here - Timeline -
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<div class="">Board statement regarding the emergency policy - <a href="https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20090406/b8a75e31/attachment.pdf" class="">https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20090406/b8a75e31/attachment.pdf</a> </div>
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<div class="">In the case of transfer policy in the ARIN region, the Board saw an impeding major risk to ARIN’s mission and made sure to have policy in place well before it was needed</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>How does this differ from my characterization other than the marketing spin?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">In short: in 2007, the Board noted that a transfer policy was urgently needed to address upcoming market realities and the ARIN Advisory Council spent much of 2008 working with the community on it, but the result still contained significant limitations
that would have precluded its use in many of the situations for which it was needed. The ARIN Board did conditionally adopt it but noted that the transfer policy would not alleviate the impending risk to the organization; noting both possible changes and
provided an alternative formulation. The ARIN AC eventually adopted a transfer policy of its own making that was similar to the revised formulation provided by the Board. </div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Again, not seeing a meaningful difference beyond spin in how the events were characterized. Yes, I left off the part where the AC eventually approved the watered down policy lacking the protections we had originally put in place.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class="">
<div class="">While the Board delegates the administration of policy development routinely to the ARIN AC, but it retains ultimate authority commensurate with the responsibility that they must bear for the organization.</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is a very useful clarification to have available for those who continue to argue that the community is the ultimate authority on policy matters. Thank you.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class="">
<div class="">As such, the Board certainly could have changed the PDP to allow immediate and direct adoption of its preferred policy language, but it is worth noting that it instead worked with the ARIN AC and community for over a year to make it happen via the adopted
PDP process – a process which includes the emergency policy provision that the Board used to propose its version. The ARIN Policy Development Process functioned exactly as designed in this circumstance, as the ARIN Trustees ultimately have responsibility
for making sure that ARIN manages risks so that its performance of mission is not impacted, and the ability to propose an emergency policy change helped galvanize the ARIN AC and community to adopt a functional transfer policy just in time for the market changes
that were already underway. </div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Right… This is the opposite of what I said. My point was that after the board created a good deal of backlash in the community, the emergency PDP was modified to put additional protections in place. The board still remains all-powerful, but the curtain is slightly pulled back and there are a few more community-involved steps for the “emergency” policy action to survive or become permanent. I think these are good things, but they were born out of this particular event.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>