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    <p>Exactly, the right to review is a principle in place and if
      triggered the resource holder must explain again if he still
      justify to maintain those resources.</p>
    <p>I don't see a need to report any changes afterwards the resources
      were assigned by the RIR, <b>as long they keep being used
        according to the current policies</b>. If however the RIR call
      that organization for a review, they must be able to explain
      themselves at anytime. This is in the interest of all.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Now, can IP leasing be a justified need one can give to the RIR
      in order to have some IP space allocated ? Could ever an
      organization go to the RIR and say: "Please give me more IP space
      as I am going to use them to lease to other organizations that
      have the ability to get them directly from the RIR" ?</p>
    <p>IP leasing is<span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b
          ChMk0b" data-language-for-alternatives="en"
          data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"><span>
            a real mockery to those who effectively build Internet
            infrastructure and bring connectivity to people in general
            and those who justify for receiving IP allocations. What is
            the point to pretend it is Ok to accept it as a 'normal'
            practice?<br>
            If an organization is able to justify and get IP addresses
            allocated directly by the RIR, accepting people's leasing
            practices only force organization who really justify for
            those IP addresses to have to pay more pay more to a
            middleman that most possible doesn't built any internet
            infrastructure if they could just be paying ARIN or any
            RIR's administrative fees directly and get those resources
            directly from there.<br>
          </span></span></span></p>
    <p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
          data-language-for-alternatives="en"
          data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"><span>Therefore
            if some organization who received a chunk of addresses in
            the past based in a justification they had to build Internet
            sudden starts to lease those addresses they should go
            immediately under a revocation process as they no longer
            justify for them. Either they use them  for the proposes
            they justified or give them back to the RIR so the RIR can
            allocate to others  who really justify.</span></span></span></p>
    <p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
          data-language-for-alternatives="en"
          data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"><span>Transfer
            of resources (even if there is a transaction in the
            background) is something different and fine in the current
            scenario as it facilitates the resources goes to those who
            really justify for them.</span></span></span></p>
    <p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
          data-language-for-alternatives="en"
          data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"><span>Fernando</span></span></span></p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 01/09/2021 17:35, Chris Woodfield
      escreveu:<br>
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      <div>David - </div>
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      <div>In addition to the RSA language John cited, Section 12 of the
        NRPM gives ARIN the right to review an organization’s resource
        usage at any time for continued  compliance with
        community-driven policy. I suspect that these reviews are not
        common, however. What’s more common, in my view, is an
        organization’s request for additional resources, which must come
        with justification that currently-held resources are being used
        in compliance with policy. I do not believe that these are
        checked against the original requests for consistency, however.</div>
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      </div>
      <div>I’d be curious if the clause below can be interpreted as
        giving organizations a duty to report *any* substantial changes
        in an organization’s allocation plans if they diverge from the
        justification filed at the time of the request, or only when
        such changes would have the effect of putting the organization
        out of compliance with current policy. I can see the former
        interpretation being rather troublesome for a large number of
        organizations, given how often business plans and environments
        can change over time, as well as adding quite a bit of (IMO
        unnecessary) overhead to IP allocation managers.</div>
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      </div>
      <div>That said, I can see ARIN being quite justified in reclaiming
        resources if the justification documentation filed with the
        request had no bearing to the org’s actual plans. I suspect that
        to be the unspoken subtext of the current controversy, and I
        absolutely believe that ARIN would and should act similarly in
        such a scenario (which, in the past, it has).</div>
      <div><br class="">
      </div>
      <div>Regards,,</div>
      <div><br class="">
      </div>
      <div>-Chris</div>
      <div><br class="">
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          <div class="">On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:21 PM, John Curran <<a
              href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class=""
              moz-do-not-send="true">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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              <div class="">David - </div>
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              <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Excellent
                question.   The most important item is for the community
                to determine its policy goals in this area, and then
                based on such what requirements/duties belong in policy
                language in Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM.)</div>
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              <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>The
                ARIN RSA places an explicit duty of “Information and
                Cooperation” on number resource holders (see below) that
                can be used to enforce community-developed policy in
                this area, but the communities thoughts on the
                appropriate policy really should drive the discussion – </div>
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                              class="">2.(c) Information and
                              Cooperation. Holder has completed an
                              application provided by ARIN for one or
                              more
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
                              font-family: 'ArialMT'" class="">Services
                              (the “Application”). Holder must (i)
                              promptly notify ARIN if any information
                              provided in the Application
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
                              font-family: 'ArialMT'" class="">changes
                              during the term of this Agreement, and
                              (ii) make reasonable efforts to promptly,
                              accurately, and completely provide any
                              information or cooperation required
                              pursuant to the Service Terms or in
                              response to any inquiry or request made to
                              Holder by ARIN during the term of this
                              Agreement. In addition, Holder shall
                              promptly provide ARIN with complete and
                              accurate information, and cooperation as
                              required by any Service Terms or
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
                              font-family: 'ArialMT'" class="">that ARIN
                              requests in connection with ARIN’s
                              provision of any of the Services to
                              Holder. If Holder does not
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
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                              ARIN with such information or cooperation
                              that ARIN requests, ARIN may take such
                              failure into account in evaluating
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
                              font-family: 'ArialMT'" class="">Holder’s
                              subsequent requests for transfer,
                              allocation or assignment of additional
                              number
                            </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt;
                              font-family: 'ArialMT'" class="">resources,
                              or requests for changes to any Services. </span></i></p>
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              <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Note
              that material breach of Section 2(c) is one of the events
              that provides ARIN clear right of termination for the RSA
              and subsequent revocation of the number resources – so
              let’s be extra careful when considering any
              reporting/information duties for placement into NRPM. 
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              <div class="">Thanks! </div>
              <div class="">/John<br class="">
                <div class="">
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div class="">John Curran</div>
                    <div class="">President and CEO</div>
                    <div class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
                  </div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  On 1 Sep 2021, at 3:47 PM, David Farmer <<a
                    href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br
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                          <div class="">I changed the subject line, as
                            this isn't directly related to the dispute
                            between AFRINIC and CI, but more some
                            questions arising from it specifically
                            related to the ARIN registered resources.</div>
                          <div class="">----</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">So, do ARIN resource
                            holders have a duty to report changes in
                            their use of resources? If they do, where
                            does that duty come from in policy or
                            contract language? And, what are the
                            relevant changes that need to be reported?</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">In my review of these questions;</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">In the RSA I see where holders
                            are granted, "The right to use the Included
                            Number Resources within the ARIN database"
                            (RSA section 2.b bullet 2). However, I don't
                            see any limitation to that use, such as
                            "originally justified" or any obligation to
                            report a change in such use.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">In policy, "An end-user is an
                            organization receiving assignments of IP
                            addresses exclusively for use in its
                            operational networks." (NRPM 2.6), with an
                            exception for incidental or transient use
                            (last paragraph, section 2.5).</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Maybe to align end-user
                            requirements with the new Registration
                            Services Agreement we should change that so
                            end-users have to report any use, other than
                            incidental or transient use, outside their
                            organization.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">And ISP's have requirements to
                            report the use by their customers that
                            exceed certain levels (NRPM sections 4.2.3.7
                            and 6.5.5).</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">So, other than the ISP reporting
                            requirements, I don't see direct reporting
                            obligations for change in use. Further, I
                            don't see any guidance to what might be a
                            material change in use that is in need of
                            reporting, as I'm sure we don't want ARIN
                            Staff tied up with reports of all possible
                            changes, most of which are probably
                            irrelevant. </div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Are there reporting requirements
                            I'm missing? Maybe implied or indirect
                            requirement?</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Should something be added to
                            ARIN's policies explicitly stating
                            requirements for reporting a change in the
                            use of resources?</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Thanks</div>
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