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<div class="">To be clear, the article was posted to ARIN ppml mailing list so that the ARIN community is aware of ARIN’s stance on this matter.</div>
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<div class="">It is expected that members of the community may have questions or wish to discuss it (yourself included) – hence it is perfectly appropriate for anyone to respond to it here on the arin-ppml list. </div>
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On 27 Aug 2021, at 3:44 PM, Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com" class="">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.75rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important">Hi John,</pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important"><br class="" style="line-height:1.3;font-family:-apple-system!important"></pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.75rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important">While I see no relevance to continue this discussion at ARIN PPML as it has no relevance to ARIN policy matters, maybe the AUP committee can make a suggestion as to whether we should we continue discussion here or somewhere else? The detail ARIN requested at that time was Personal identifying Information of our customers that we do not have. I openly said this in one of the ARIN public policy meetings. To best of my memory I stated something alone the line of “If that is what ARIN insist we provide, we will not further respond in the request since we do not process nor do we intend to to collect such information. as I personally think it is immoral to do so. John, do you really think it appropriate to make accusations and innuendos against someone for protecting the personal data of their customers? As for the the question you asked, it is potentially part of ongoing litigation process that we are not able to comment publicly, why don’t you wait for the court to decide just like rest of public but pushing it entirely out of ARIN’s mandate for an answer entirely irrelevant to ARIN’s operation? </pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important"><br class="" style="line-height:1.3;font-family:-apple-system!important"></pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.75rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important">And just for clarification, while I have a business relationship with Owen, he does not speak for me or cloud innovation, his view is entirely his own and mine are mine. Just like anyone working for any company here on this list. Their views are entirely their own and do not constitute a press release for the corporation they work for. </pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:15px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important"><br class=""></pre>
<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.75rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important">Apologies to the nanog list: while I understand this is not appropriate place to reply address this topic, I believe John’s reply makes it necessary for me to provide at least one reply to clarify, as long as John not future engage in the list for the discussion, I will refrain from further posting in this thread.</pre>
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<pre class="x_902494558textL x_902494558zcmsgcnt" dir="auto" style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;font-family:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-right:26px;margin-bottom:0px;padding:0.1px 0px 0px;outline:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.75rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(21,21,21);line-height:normal!important">I’m also pretty sure that since this has nothing to do with ARIN Policy, it’s not appropriate fodder for PPML, either, but I will leave that between John and the ARIN mailing list AUP committee to address.</pre>
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