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<p>Exactly John, that's why the Board of Trustees or equivalent body
has to approve policies that advances from this forum, to make
sure they are in line with the applicable law, operational
impacts, etc. But the Board has not power to make policies or
define rules for allocation of revocation.<br>
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<p>More important to highlight is that any policies regarding
allocation of revocation come exclusively from this forum. If this
forum defines lack of payment is one of that reasons for
revocation of resources and Board approves it according to the
PDP, then the Board is free to adjust the RSA and whatever
procedures necessary to make it happen.<br>
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<p>What I am saying with is that it is in its prerogatives for this
forum to keep in the policy text that lack of payment is a reason
for revocation. There is not reason to remove what is in there, it
will not cause any harm or conflict to whatever the Board decides
the RSA will be.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/01/2021 16:59, John Curran wrote:<br>
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<p class="">Hello Owen</p>
<p class="">*Any* revocation must always be governed by
this forum which is the only body who has power to
define allocation policies and therefore revocation.
RIRs don't have power for that, except on exceptional
situations (section 10.1) which have to be confirmed by
this forum.<br class="">
The RIR, based on RSA may stop providing services to
organizations that are not up to their payments, but a
policy that states loud and clear that organizations
that fail to pay their fees are also subject to
revocation, reason why I see no harm to leave the text
as it is.</p>
<p class="">Yes, the Board is free to modify the RSA at
will, but they need to make it coherent to the whatever
the policies say, where it applies of course (ex: Policy
say that undue payments leads to resources revocation.
RSA may outline the details how the services will stop
being provided until the resources are revoked in line
with this forum has the sole prerogative to define.)</p>
<p class="">Just as a comparison and knowing that each RIR
PDP may have its differences, the essence of ICP-2 is
the same, the LACNIC policy manual clearly states in
section 7 that lack payment (among other reasons) is a
reason for revocation. Beyond that which is specifically
stated in the manual it also says that "violations on
contractual obligations with LACNIC" may be a reason for
revocation. In resume, that is defined by the Policy
Forum for the RIR to execute.</p>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Your
assertion is incorrect with respect to ARIN, in that the
text in the RSA is controlling in this regard (as Owen
noted earlier.)</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Each
RIR has to conform with its own agreements and applicable
law, and such may have operational impacts on the
management of number resources in the region absent any
corresoonding policy. </div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>As RIRs
are member-based organizations, members in the region
elect a governing board that hold overall responsibility
for the business of the RIR. This is no different in
ARIN region – the membership of ARIN elects a Board which
has authority for the organization and this includes
establising more operational matters such as budget,
services, fees, and agreements. </div>
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<div class="">Thanks,</div>
<div class="">/John</div>
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<div class="">John Curran</div>
<div class="">President and CEO</div>
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