<div dir="auto">Are you saying fees only apply to ISPs with IPv4, the current text is in section 4.2.1.4, where section 4.2 applies to Allocations to ISPs...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Furthermore, not paying fees is only one reason resources may be revoked or reclaimed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think the new text is a better way to deal with the issues.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 17:09 Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p>Yes fees are most a RSA thing, but I see no harm to keep the
actual wording as it is and make it loud and clear that
organizations that don't pay the fees are subjected to resources
revocation - which is up to this forum to define - so no one <span lang="en"><span><span>may
plead ignorance about it. <br>
What is the problem to keep it as it is ? If the newly
proposed text mentions that ISPs should take care to ensure
that their annual renewal payment is made by their
anniversary due date, what's wrong to also remind them that
if that is not fulfilled the resources may be revoked ?<br>
This makes part of the Fair and Impartial Number Resources
Administration principle.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="en"><span><span>I
see no propose in this proposal therefore I do not support
it.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span lang="en"><span><span>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
</span></span></span></p>
<div>On 15/01/2021 17:55, ARIN wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The
following Draft Policy has been revised:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">*
ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Revised text
is below and can be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">You are
encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC
will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the
conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of
Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles
are:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">* Enabling
Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">*
Technically Sound<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">* Supported
by the Community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The PDP can
be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Draft
Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sean Hopkins<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Policy
Analyst<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">American
Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Draft Policy
ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Problem
Statement:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The January
2020 Policy Experience Report highlighted that the existing
language in Section 4.2.1.2 "Annual Renewal" references
fees. Fees are not considered a member qualification
criteria. Since fees aren't referenced elsewhere in
community policy, the wording was reviewed by the PEG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Policy
statement:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Given that
the Registration Services Agreement (RSA) already contains
language regarding fees, the AC Shepherds recommend to
eliminate 4.2.1.2. entirely and add:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">2.X
Registration Services Agreement (RSA)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Number
resources allocated or assigned by ARIN under these policies
are subject to a contractural agreement between ARIN and the
resource holder. Throughout this document, any and all forms
of this agreement, past or future, are simply referred to as
the Registration Services Agreement (RSA).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Comments: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The AC’s
understanding is that community policy should not include
language referring to fees, as such language is already
present in the Registration Services Agreement (RSA)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Registration
Services has informed us that "Section 4.2.1.2. contains
language detailing fee due dates, encouraging on-time
payments, and mentions potential revocations. It also
contains a reference to web documentation that has evolved
significantly since this policy was implemented, and may
continue to do so. Essentially the entire section is made of
language that is already in the Registration Services
Agreement, and is generally fee-focused, making it outside
normal scope for Internet number resource policy."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Timetable
for implementation: Immediate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Anything
else: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Community
input since adopting draft has informed this direction. The
2.X placeholder is used as this seems like it might be
foundational enough to not be 2.17 but the Shepherds would
rather not upset current indexing arbitrarily.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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