<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>The petition process calls for volume (support of 25 separate orgs), and does not request "substance". The substance has been discussed at length, and I assume the +1 votes from these network operators come about through substantive, rational thought.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But since you raised the issue of substance, here's the substance of the thinking for my own support for the petition. I originally proposed the wait list block size limit of a /22 back in Feb, 2019 in response to well-discussed fraud issues. At the time, I thought the waiting list fraud was massive and widespread and required a heavy hand to combat it. I'm now more of the opinion that the fraud was massive but not that widespread (affecting a large number of IPs but not done by a large number of players). My proposal was not implemented, but the one that was included the /22 limit as well as the /20 limit for total holdings. I think it's too stringent, but more importantly it punishes a lot of waiting list orgs that were playing by the rules and had a reasonable expectation that their waiting list needs would be met.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I imagine most of the support from these "newbies" is based on the essential unfairness of harming dozens of legitimate players in order to prevent potential fraud of a few. But I don't want to put words in their mouths. I welcome their input and look forward to their participation in the future.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom Fantacone<br></div><div>IPTrading.com<br></div><div><br></div><div style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;" class="zmail_extra_hr"><br></div><div style="" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true" class="zmail_extra"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">---- On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 22:41:50 -0500 <b>Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.com></b> wrote ----<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px;"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Not quite what I had in mind. However, you demonstrated the point. Volume != substance. Personally, I find the AC to be too activist on occasion. However I see nothing that needs repair here. I applaud use of the petition process as it is part of the pdp. The petition itself, while long and detailed, lacks enough substance itself to make me want to support it. Your mileage may vary.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Warm regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>-M<<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="x_323773819gmail_quote"><div class="x_323773819gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:31 PM Tom Fantacone <<a href="mailto:tom@iptrading.com" target="_blank">tom@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;" class="x_323773819gmail_quote"><div><div>Well, since you asked, I do support the petition.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom Fantacone<br></div><div>IPTrading.com<br></div><div><br></div><div>------- Original Message -------<br></div><div><b>From :</b> Martin Hannigan[mailto:<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>]<br></div><div><b>Sent :</b> 1/13/2021 5:20:04 PM<br></div><div><b>To :</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br></div><div><b>Cc :</b> <br></div><div><b>Subject :</b> RE: Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyone else going to say it? <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div><br></div><div class="x_323773819gmail_quote"><div class="x_323773819gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 16:36 Annette Ogden <<a href="mailto:annetteo@anderson-electric.com" target="_blank">annetteo@anderson-electric.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;" class="x_323773819gmail_quote"><div style=""><div><p class="" style="margin: 0px;">I support this petition.<u></u><u></u><br></p><p class="" style="margin: 0px;"><u></u> <u></u><br></p><p class="" style="margin: 0px;"><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(42, 101, 218)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri Light", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Annette Ogden</span></span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(42, 101, 218)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><u style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"></u><u style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"></u></span></span></span><br></p><p class="" style="margin: 0px;"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri Light", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Anderson Electric, Inc.<u style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"></u><u style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"></u></span></span></span><br></p><p class="" style="margin: 0px;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri Light", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:8pt"><u style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"></u> <u style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"></u></span></span><br></p></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> ARIN-PPML<br></div><div> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br></div><div> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br></div><div> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br></div><div> Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><br></body></html>