<div dir="ltr">I oppose this petition.<br><div><br></div><div>-Chris</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 6:21 PM David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>There is neither overwhelming support nor overwhelming opposition to this policy. There seems to be more support than opposition, however, the level of opposition in my opinion makes adopting the policy at this time troublesome. The only thing that seems clear to me, this is a very contentious policy, and personally, I think it is unnecessarily contentious.</div><div><br></div><div>During the AC's November 19th meeting, they voted 8 in favor, to 6 against, to recommend this policy to the Board, nevertheless, the motion failed as the PDP requires 10 votes in favor by the AC to recommend adoption of a policy to the Board. I think the AC's vote accurately represents the division in the ARIN community regarding this policy. Therefore, while I strongly support this policy, I do not support this petition and believe further discussion by the community is necessary and the proper way forward for this policy.<br><br>To this end, I ask those that oppose this policy to reexamine why they oppose the policy; If you oppose this policy because of the accusations regarding the intent or actions of supporters of this policy; I strongly ask you to disregard such mere accusations, they are simply attempts at character assassination, and without real proof are inappropriate; Without proof, they should not be the basis for opposition.</div><div><br></div>Further, If you oppose this policy because you feel the implementation of ARIN-2019-16 was fair and disagree with many of the supporters of this policy who insist that ARIN-2019-16 was not fair. Please consider, that while I agree the implementation of ARIN-2019-16 was fair and impartial, it had a disproportionally harsh impact on several organizations that were removed from the waiting list through no fault of their own. ARIN-2019-16 was the resolution to a policy emergency, it was considered with much urgency in order to resume the operation of the waiting list, I don't feel these harsh impacts were properly considered during the development of ARIN-2019-16. Furthermore, I contend that reconsidering these impacts and grandfathering at least some of the organizations who were removed from the waiting list is an equally fair and justified thing to do. I feel ARIN-2020-2 properly and fairly mitigates the unnecessarily harsh impacts on many organizations who were caught by the urgency of ARIN-2019-16 to restore the operation of the waiting list.<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your consideration, and please support ARIN-2020-2. <div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:35 AM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div>
    <p>Obviously anyone has the right to petition,  but I am trying to
      understand the intent of this appeal. Make the Board of Trustees
      to push something that haven't had enough support from the
      community ?</p>
    <p>It may meet some minimal criteria to be a proposal and be
      discussed but it didn't reach enough support from community
      neither consensus that this is something good for the region. In
      my view it is as simple as that.<br>
      The same way it is mentioned there was a "overwhelming" support
      for this proposal there was also a overwhelming opposition to this
      proposal which make it enough for it not reach consensus.</p>
    <p>It doesn't really matter how many people were in support or
      against, but the arguments mentioned by each one and how relevant
      they were to the impact of the adoption of this proposal and as
      would be expected the AC took all that discussion into
      consideration, not the number of people on each side.</p>
    <p>This proposal didn't have enough support and didn't reach
      consensus, probably because a fair amount of people don't believed
      this is not good for a broad number of members. It's how the
      things work in these type of forums.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards<br>
      Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 10/01/2021 13:08, Tom Pruitt wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      
      
      
      <div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_8702202488039896246_m_-1991453740300531290_m_5245156291009552799_m_392382607154939385__Hlk60815351">               Stratus Networks is
            officially petitioning the Board of Trustees on policy ARIN
            -2020 -2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from
            Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16 against reversion
            back to draft status and moving to have it  sent directly to
            the Board of Trustees for immediate approval.
            <u></u><u></u></a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>              
            We are requesting that all in favor of this proposal voice
            their approval on the PPML.    
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <span></span>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Per section 2.4 of the PDP:<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2.4.
              Petition for Board of Trustees Consideration<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Any
              member of the community may initiate a Board of Trustees
              Consideration Petition if they are dissatisfied with the
              Advisory Council’s failure to act within the allotted time
              (60 days) to send a Recommended Draft Policy in last call
              to the Board of Trustees for consideration. A successful
              petition for Board of Trustees Consideration requires
              expressions of petition support from at least 25 different
              people from 25 different organizations. If successful,
              this petition will send the Recommended Draft Policy from
              last call to the Board of Trustees for consideration.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            In our opinion, this proposal clearly met the criteria
            necessary for adoption by ARIN.  Our reasoning is outlined
            below. 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <u></u>
            <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            In order to get new policy, as drawn directly from the PDP:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Principles
              of Internet Number Resource Policy<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Internet
              number resource policy must satisfy three important
              principles, specifically: 1) enabling fair and impartial
              number resource administration, 2) technically sound
              (providing for uniqueness and usability of number
              resources), and 3) supported by the community.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
          <li style="margin-top:12pt;line-height:normal">
            <b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Enabling
                fair and impartial number resource administration:<u></u><u></u></span></b></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <u></u>
            <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            In the discussion about fairness, much of the dissenting
            discussion related to how this would negatively affect the
            current organizations on the list.  While that question has
            been answered, <b><i><u>that it will have no effect</u></i></b>,
            it is a great and valid question that should be asked and
            answered. It is the entire point of this proposal.  The same
            question should have been addressed when the waitlist was
            changed. How can one rationalize that this would be unfair
            to the current people on the list, but not use the same
            rationale on the people that were on the original
            waitlist?   If one does not believe grandfathering is fair,
            how can they ever support a proposal that has grandfathering
            in it without contradicting themselves?  <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            For the record, AC council member Joe Provo waited until the
            meeting after last call to quote the definition of fairness
            to the council.  We believe that he mis-quoted that
            definition.  To the extent that anyone relied on his
            definition, we would like to set the record straight. 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As taken
            directly from the minutes:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <i>
              “All policies and practices relating to the use of public
              address space should apply fairly      and equitably to
              all existing and potential members of the Internet
              community, regardless           of their location,
              nationality, size or any other factor.”<u></u><u></u></i></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Actual
            definition directly from the PDP:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <i>
              “Internet number resources must be managed with
              appropriate stewardship and care.         Internet number
              resource policy must provide for fair and impartial
              management of           resources according to unambiguous
              guidelines and criteria. All policy statements must     
              be clear, complete, and concise, and any criteria that are
              defined in policy must be simple and obtainable. Policy
              statements must be unambiguous and not subject to       
              varying degrees of interpretation.”<u></u><u></u></i></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="2">
          <li style="line-height:normal">
            <b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Technically
                Sound</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">:
              <u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I do not
            think anyone has questioned that this is a technically sound
            proposal.
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="3">
          <li style="line-height:normal">
            <b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Community
                Support:<u></u><u></u></span></b></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
              <i>
                There was overwhelming community support for this
                policy. In fact, we cannot find another policy with this
                much support going back years. This was wide ranging,
                broad community support.<u></u><u></u></i></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            In the
            <b><u>PUBLIC MEETING</u></b> that was held, there were 42 in
            favor and 14 against. While there is no way of knowing who
            voted in favor and who voted against, Stratus has asked the
            few posters on the PPML that Stratus did introduce to the
            ARIN process and
            <b>ZERO</b> were present for this meeting.  Stratus does not
            know a single one of the
            <b>42 people</b> that supported this policy. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <u></u>
            <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            By our unofficial count of the PPML, there were 30 different
            organizations that supported this proposal and 13 that did
            not.  Of the 13 voices of dissent, 6 did not voice a word of
            dissent until last call.  That is almost 50% of the
            dissenting voices holding their argument of dissent until
            <b>LAST CALL</b>. How is that not an abuse of the system? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <u></u>
            <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            Arin AC Council Chris Tacit brought this up in the council
            meeting:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:white">           
            <i>“CT cautioned the Council not to inadvertently allow the
              misuse of the last call process.          He pointed out
              that a Public Policy Meeting (PPM) was held, and a
              substantial part of       the community supported this
              policy. He noted that there was a small dissenting group,
                        but there was also significant support expresed.
              CT stated that additional dissenting         voices
              lobbied on PPML after the PPM and very late in the
              process, and does not       appear to reflective of any
              overall change in community sentiment. He stated that
              given   that the policy was not strongly opposed during
              the actual process, he did not believe            that the
              Council should derail the policy and that it should be put
              to a vote. He stated that       he was concerned that the
              dissenting comments that were received at the last-minute
                    were not reflective on a real change in sentiment.”</i></span><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            The voices of dissent are mostly regulars on ARIN
            commenting.
            <span style="color:red"> </span>It appears that 5 of the 13
            are current or former AC council member.   While these
            voices are absolutely important, why should their opinion be
            valued more than that of any other? Why would they represent
            the “broad” community and others would not? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">                                                               
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">              AC
            council Owen DeLong states:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">               <i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“<span style="color:black;background:white">OD disagreed,
                stating that he believed that there is enough
                opposition. He             pointed out that the term is
                ‘broad support’. He noted that there was a great deal of
                            positive commenting on the PPML, and in
                community participation. It was a grass    roots effort
                for the most part.
                <span style="background:yellow">He
                  believed it does not represent a broad segment
                </span>         <span style="background:yellow">of the
                </span>
                  <span style="background:yellow">community,
                  but rather narrow.</span> OD stated he would vote
                against advancing the policy   forward.”</span><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            <u></u>
            <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            We need to address this now because we believe he is flat
            out wrong and this is a baseless statement.   First, who
            cares who posted and what their motivation was if they are
            valid voices?  Why does any valid poster or supporter not
            represent broad support and why is that a decision that an
            AC council member can make about them? Secondly, the
            insinuation that the broad support came from Stratus
            customers or supporters of Stratus at all is absolutely a
            false statement.  It seems rooted in some of the posts on
            PPML.  There were multiple defamatory accusations about who
            these voices of support belong to, if they are real, and
            even accusations that Stratus incented them to support.  Our
            legal team will deal with the libelous attacks, but to the
            extent that those statements were used or relied on by the
            AC council, as appears to be the case based on Mr. DeLong’s
            statement, it is imperative that we address them now.
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            In no particular order:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Stratus
              did not incent a single organization with a SINGLE
              THING!!!!<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="2">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Stratus
              did not encourage anyone to “spam” the policy list.  We
              simply educated some organizations on how ARIN works and
              what happened to us.  They formed their own opinion.
              Nevertheless, those organizations only represent a small
              fraction of the support that this policy has received.  <u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="3">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There
              is an entire thread titled “Astroturfing”. Stratus
              categorically denies this malicious accusation. Stratus
              does not even know most of the supporters to this policy.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">For
            reference, Websters defines Astroturfing as,
            <i>“organized activity that is intended to create a false
              impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising,
              grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to
              something (such as a political policy) but that is in
              reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or
              organization (such as a corporation)“</i><u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="4">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Of
              the few that Stratus does know, many are actually
              competitors of Stratus, not customers.   They have nothing
              to gain.   How is an ISP not a member of the “broad”
              community, whether Stratus knows them or not?  News Flash
              - Stratus knows most ISP’s. <u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="5">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The
              support was not “manufactured”.  These are real and valid
              organizations voicing real and valid opinions. To claim
              that the support is manufactured is baseless.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="6">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Stratus
              has not conspired to commit any fraud of any kind.  This
              is again a baseless and malicious attack on Stratus. 
              <u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="7">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">More
              often than not, the poster identifies themselves, so to
              post “who are all these people” makes no sense. They are
              who they said they are. Just because they are not regulars
              does not make them fake.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="8">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Getting
              voices to the board was exactly what Stratus was tasked
              with doing. We attended ARIN 44 and this is exactly what
              the leadership directed us to do. Go educate people on how
              ARIN works. Give them the same education that you just
              got. This whole thing is about much more than just this
              proposal. This is about what we view as a small clique of
              people that are controlling ARIN.  We are trying to change
              that. If you have a problem with new voices, then we view
              you as the problem.  This is not a private club.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="9">
          <li style="margin-left:0in;line-height:normal">
            <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There
              are accusations that Stratus does not have alternative
              plans or this is about money. How dare someone make that
              accusation.  They know nothing of our motivation for this
              proposal and they most definitely know nothing of our
              plans or lack thereof.  Stratus has already spent more
              than the going rate for a /22 in dealing with this and
              will continue to spend to get this right.   For the
              record, we made our motivation very clear at ARIN 44 in
              front of everyone present.  Additionally, we were approved
              and on the original list for a /19.   We proposed a /22 in
              this proposal.    If this was just about Stratus, why
              wouldn’t we have proposed for the /19 that we were on the
              list for?<u></u><u></u></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            It may not be clear to all, but it sure appears to us that
            there is a very small group of people that are actually
            active on the PPML.  Any research on previous proposals
            leads to this conclusion.  These same voices appear over and
            over again.  Those were, by and large, the same voices that
            dissented against this proposal.  Noting again that almost
            40% of the dissention was from current or former AC council
            members.   Why is it that they represent the “broad”
            community and everyone else does not? I would argue with Mr.
            DeLong the exact opposite of his statement is true.  This
            small group of dissenters does not represent the “broad”
            community, but rather, just a small group of dissenters that
            are active in ARIN, some of which are current and former AC
            council members.  Anyone thinking their opinion is more
            important than another’s is a problem.  You might not agree
            with that opinion, but that does not make it an invalid
            opinion.  Just because Stratus introduced an organization to
            how this process works does not mean that their voice does
            not count.  Any accusation that Stratus incented or that
            these organization took something for their voice is a
            baseless, malicious attack on both Stratus and the
            organization that voiced support.  It is hard to justify how
            ARIN is tolerating this behavior.  We have been attacked as
            if we are the bad guy here.  We have done nothing wrong!!!! 
            We are trying our hardest to address what we perceive was an
            error made by the Board of Arin that negatively affected 26
            organizations by not addressing this. 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            Bullying should never be allowed.  The current ARIN
            environment is blasting anyone new with a voice, attacking
            them as if they don’t matter.  Going against their rationale
            for having an opinion at all rather than even address what
            their opinion is.  Just shut them up and make them go away.
            This is not good for ARIN or the community.  A voice is a
            voice.  So what if Stratus knows the ISP?  Stratus knows a
            ton of ISPs.  That does not mean that their opinion doesn’t
            count as support.   So what if a few of Stratus’ customers
            posted?  They have IP blocks and they are real organizations
            with real opinions and absolutely with nothing to gain. Who
            cares why a valid member of the community posts an opinion? 
            The debate should be about the opinion itself and not the
            poster and their unknown motivations. What better way to
            discourage new involvement than tell them their opinion is
            worthless on the PPML and then have the AC council back up
            those statements?  And to wait until last call to even voice
            the dissent.   No better way to keep this group small and
            not have the broad community participating? Just because it
            appears a group of people do not like outsiders does not
            mean that the system should support it. 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            ARIN has a set of rules and they should be obeyed:  
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> “The
              ARIN Mailing List Appropriate Usage Policy specifically
              prohibits statements that include foul language and/or
              <span style="background:yellow">personal
                character attacks, statements that show disrespect for
                other participants (including ARIN),</span>
              <span style="background:yellow">and
                statements that are slanderous or libelous</span>.”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">           
            Below is just a
            <b><u>SAMPLE</u></b> of comments that I have been referring
            to.  In our opinion, these comments should not be tolerated,
            as they fall directly into the categories of personal
            character attacks, statements of disrespect and are
            slanderous and libelous.  
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“I oppose
              any special treatment being given to
              <span style="background:yellow">organizations
                that encourage<u></u><u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">their
              customers to spam the policy list with messages in support
              of such<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">special
              treatment.”</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“I also
              do not like those that have sent their
              <span style="background:yellow">customers
                to this list to <u></u>
                <u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">lobby
              for receiving this space instead of</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">
              <span style="background:yellow">the
                "new entrants" to up the
                <u></u><u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">count
              of those that are in favor in an effort to promote
              adoption of this
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">proposal.”</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">"There
              are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy,
              and 5 against."
              <span style="background:yellow">If
                these ISPs continue to lobby their "customers</span>" to
              reply on this thread in favor of the policy, will that
              hold any weight?”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">“I'm
              not sure how to say this in the most diplomatic way
              possible, but
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">why
              not explore other options just in case?
              <span style="background:yellow">Is an
                org that fails to <u></u>
                <u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">consider
              backup plans really</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">
              something that rises to the level of a <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">community
              problem that needs a special policy?”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“Who are
              all these people that
              <span style="background:yellow">"support
                the Stratus stance" out of
              </span></span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">nowhere
              and do they have any opinion on why they support it or
              know what
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">they're
              supporting?”</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“Subject:
              [arin-ppml]
              <span style="background:yellow">Stratus
                astroturfing</span><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">You
              can assume that Stratus (Tom Pruitt, Network Engineer,
              Stratus Networks) has incentivized their customers/vendors
              to advocate for the policy</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">. They
              will likely obtain additional IPv4 space if the policy
              goes into effect.”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“<span style="background:yellow">I believe
                these
                <u></u><u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">actions
              show that Stratus may be conspiring to commit fraud</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> through
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">manufactured
              support of a policy for their own benefit, and not the
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">benefit
              of the community.”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“I am
              finding it hard to separate
              <span style="background:yellow">the
                merits (or lack thereof) of this
                <u></u><u></u></span></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">policy
              proposal from the motivations behind it”</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <pre><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“<span style="color:black">It is a public list, <span style="background:yellow">but such a display of manufactured "support" <u></u><u></u></span></span></span></i></pre>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">appears
              to be an attempt to manipulate policy</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">
              in a way that is not for <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">the
              benefit of the community it's supposed to serve. Often
              when someone
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">wants
              a policy to happen so badly that they're willing to try to
              tip the
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">scales
              in their favor by any means necessary, it usually means
              it's not
              <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">good
              for the rest of us.”<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">           
          </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Finally,
            when given the opportunity to explain their rationale behind
            their vote against, 4 of the 6 AC council members have not
            responded.  Seems like a fair question, but for whatever
            reason, 4 have not replied.  This is the next thing we are
            going to go after.  The AC meetings should be available for
            all to listen to. Why are they held behind closed doors? How
            does that benefit the community to have to rely on
            abbreviated minutes? Additionally, if an AC council member
            is voting against anything, we believe they should have to
            explain their rationale. Why didn’t it meet one of the
            criteria?  In our opinion they are elected to champion and
            safeguard the system, not override it.  Why shouldn’t they
            have to provide an explanation to the community about a vote
            against a proposal? The current rules are not set up this
            way, but in our opinion, they should be, and we are going to
            try to get these things changed next. 
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Tom Pruitt <u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Network Engineer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Stratus Networks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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