<div dir="ltr"><div>I also support these changes.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:23 PM Chris Woodfield <<a href="mailto:chris@semihuman.com" target="_blank">chris@semihuman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>FD: This policy is a work produce of the AC’s Policy Experience Report working group, which I currently chair.<div><br></div><div>Taking my AC/WG chair hat off, I am in support of the updated language, with the caveat that the following assumptions can be relied upon:<br><div><br></div><div>1. The added language cannot be interpreted to place additional conditions on legacy resource holders that do not exist today. I’m interpreting the reference to resources “allocated and assigned under these policies” as implicitly excluding legacy resource holders, but please correct me if that assumption is incorrect.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I believe that is the intent of the language. Since legacy resources were allocated prior to the creation of ARIN, they weren't "allocated or assigned under these policies." On the other hand, just to be clear, the lack of a formal written agreement for legacy resource holders doesn't necessarily imply there is no agreement at all. There are lots of things in the world done by informal agreements, for example, a handshake agreement. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>2. The term “Registration Services Agreement” is used generically, and is inclusive of RSA and LRSA agreements, or other future agreements ARIN may have with resource holders.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I believe that is the intent as well. However, I think the issue of future agreements is an important point that might be worth adding to the text. How about something like this;</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>This, or future, agreements cover the terms, rights, responsibilities, and conditions of service; failure to adhere to the RSA may result in revocation of number resources.</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div><div>-C</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:55 AM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The following Draft Policy has been revised:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">* ARIN-2020-8:<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-color:white">Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Revised text is below and can be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">* Technically Sound<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">* Supported by the Community<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The PDP can be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sean Hopkins<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Policy Analyst<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8:<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-color:white">Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Problem Statement:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The January 2020 Policy Experience Report highlighted that the existing language in Section 4.2.1.2 "Annual Renewal" references fees. Fees are not considered a member qualification criteria. Since fees aren't referenced elsewhere in community policy, the wording was reviewed by the PEG.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Policy Statement:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Given that the Registration Services Agreement (RSA) already contains language regarding fees, the AC Shepherds recommend to eliminate 4.2.1.2. entirely and add:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">2.X Registration Services Agreement (RSA)<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Number resources allocated or assigned by ARIN under these policies are subject to a Registration Services Agreement (RSA) between ARIN and the resource holder. This agreement covers terms, rights, responsibilities and conditions of service; failure to adhere to the RSA may result in revocation of number resources.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Comments:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The AC’s understanding is that community policy should not include language referring to fees, as such language is already present in the Registration Services Agreement (RSA)<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Registration Services has informed us that "Section 4.2.1.2. contains language detailing fee due dates, encouraging on-time payments, and mentions potential revocations. It also contains a reference to web documentation that has evolved significantly since this policy was implemented, and may continue to do so. Essentially the entire section is made of language that is already in the Registration Services Agreement, and is generally fee-focused, making it outside normal scope for Internet number resource policy."<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Timetable for Implementation: Immediate<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Anything Else: Community input since adopting draft has informed this direction. 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