<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div>Both of you make good points here. I tend to agree with Mark that while businesses don't currently have a *need* to move to IPv6 to maintain current operations, to be able to operate in the future there's a good likelihood that they should move into the IPv6 space. We've been impacted by our VPN client trying to use both v4 and v6 to make connections, and causing odd behavior until we disabled v6. As such, part of our networking initiatives for next year will be looking at implementing v6 on the edge, for both internal needs and external client interaction. Many folks don't have that issue or need, it's more whether they want to be proactive in moving forward towards a concept that, while not universally adopted or being the clear future, is very likely to be the path things will progress.<br /><br />However, neither view has anything to do with this proposal. 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Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<br /><br />> On 23 Oct 2020, at 15:21, Michael Peddemors <michael@linuxmagic.com> wrote:<br />><br />> On 2020-10-22 8:35 a.m., hostmaster@uneedus.com wrote:<br />>> It is wrong to give this space to those who are making no effort to move to IPv6, which is the clear future of the Internet.<br />><br />> Oh, I am going to be called a troll for this..<br />><br />> But seriously? First of all there are those who have no business need to move to IPv6, where IPv4 is all they ever will need, so you can understand that it will be low on their priority list….<br /><br />If you send IP packets over the Internet you have a business need for IPv6. IPv6-only ISPs *will* turn off IPv6 to IPv4 gateways at some point as it costs additional $$ to run them. They will look at the amount of traffic going through them compared to the IPv6 traffic that is by passing them and say “Time to turn it off. If people still need it they can get it from $provider-on-the-net.” Most of the customer won’t bother configuring a IPv6 to IPv4 gateway and those business that failed to move to IPv6 will go belly up.<br /><br />> And (wait for it) .. what emperical evidence do we have that IPv6 is the clear future of the internet.. after .. (how many years has this been pushed?) .. all this time, it STILL is not universally adopted, which in itself says it is NOT the 'clear future’..<br /><br />Universal adoption has never been a prerequisite for something the be the ‘clear future’. Name one thing that was universally adopted at the point in time people first said it was the ‘clear future’. I can’t come up with anything in all of history. Fire wasn’t. Bonze wasn’t. Iron wasn’t. Steel wasn’t. The wheel wasn’t. Steam wasn’t. Electricity wasn’t. IPv4 wasn’t. Each of these technologies was however the ‘clear future’ at some point in time well before universal adoption occurred.<br /><br />IPv6 isn’t a revolutional change, its a evolutional change. Evolutional changes just take longer to occur but they do happen.<br /><br />> Me, (okay, this is after a beer or two tonight) I was just having a <br />> discussion with some people the other night, and we were discussing <br />> the idea that a new protocol might even roll out at this rate before <br />> IPv6 is universally adopted…<br /><br />It might, but unless it is a revolutional change it will take longer to deploy than IPv6 has.<br /><br />> I think that while ARIN can be a proponent of moving to IPv6, it still has a responsibility to listen to those who have no need for this. The idea of penalizing IPv4 allocations, because they don't believe in IPv6, seems .. well... 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