<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_2/" class="">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_2/</a> "While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that some organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy."<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It seems this policy was spawned from vague data on "attendees of ARIN 44." It's concerning that ARIN does not acknowledge the long term harm on the broader community and chooses to focus on the short term remedy for legacy ISPs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Alyssa Moore + @Anita Nikolich Will the fate of this policy reside in the hands of ISPs who stand to gain from it as you've indicated previously? <a href="https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2020-August/068029.html" class="">https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2020-August/068029.html</a> "There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5 against." If these ISPs continue to lobby their "customers" to reply on this thread in favor of the policy, will that hold any weight? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 22, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" class="">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I thought this was a PUBLIC policy list? <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Robert Clarke <<a href="mailto:robert@rjfc.net" class="">robert@rjfc.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">+1 on this.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Where is the data from ARIN on where the support for this policy is coming from?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">Robert</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I oppose any special treatment being given to organizations that encourage their customers to spam the policy list with messages in support of such special treatment.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Scott</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 4:16 PM Chad Geiser via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">To Whom it May Concern,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We do business with Stratus as a Fiber provider for our operation as well as many of our clients. They are a legitimate internet service provider. We support the Stratus stance on this policy. Thank you for the consideration.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Chad Geiser<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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