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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello List,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Who cares where the expressions of support come from, or what motivates them?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If they come with arguments, regard the arguments.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If they come with a simple +1, you can weigh the value of that with your own judgement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This search for speaker motivations is antithetical to the operation of the list and to bottom-up governance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The demand for each speaker to explicitly state their motivation is poisonous.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Do you want to reduce participation? Because this is how you do that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Unfortunately ARIN isn’t alone on this trend.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Clarke<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_2/">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_2/</a> "While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that some organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy."<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It seems this policy was spawned from vague data on "attendees of ARIN 44." It's concerning that ARIN does not acknowledge the long term harm on the broader community and chooses to focus on the short term remedy for legacy ISPs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>@Alyssa Moore + @Anita Nikolich Will the fate of this policy reside in the hands of ISPs who stand to gain from it as you've indicated previously? <a href="https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2020-August/068029.html">https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2020-August/068029.html</a> "There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5 against." If these ISPs continue to lobby their "customers" to reply on this thread in favor of the policy, will that hold any weight? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 22, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I thought this was a PUBLIC policy list? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Robert Clarke <<a href="mailto:robert@rjfc.net">robert@rjfc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>+1 on this.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Where is the data from ARIN on where the support for this policy is coming from?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I oppose any special treatment being given to organizations that encourage their customers to spam the policy list with messages in support of such special treatment.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 4:16 PM Chad Geiser via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To Whom it May Concern,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We do business with Stratus as a Fiber provider for our operation as well as many of our clients. They are a legitimate internet service provider. We support the Stratus stance on this policy. Thank you for the consideration.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chad Geiser<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor rgb(63,151,181) currentcolor currentcolor'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='border:none;border-right:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:1.0pt'><image250322.png><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:7.5pt 0in 7.5pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#606060'>Chad</span></b><b><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"remialcxesans",serif;color:white'></span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#606060'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#606060'> Geiser<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span 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