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<p>I am not sure exactly about RIPE but any court must take in
consideration that the RIR policies must apply for the "buyer" to
have the right to register it. Since in most RIRs the golden rule
is (and must keep being) be able to justify for the addresses
being received (either via a donation or a purchase).</p>
<p>Nobody should ever be able to come to the RIR and say: "Register
it because I paid for". The community who is the one that matters
and make the rules is interested the addresses being transferred
are going be really used for its final propose and get people
connected to the internet, therefore it has a justification and
not less important to be fair with all others.<br>
Just having the right to register addresses because it paid for it
doesn't make sense and should be opposed as much as possible by
all RIRs.<br>
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<p>Thankfully RIPE seems to go in that direction when they say in
the statement: "<i>Finally, it’s worth noting that each order will
be reviewed on a case by case basis. If we believe that an order
or the third party seeking to enforce the order does not comply
with RIPE policies or RIPE NCC procedures, we reserve the right
to dispute any transfer.</i>"<br>
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<p>My understanding is that ARIN should only obey orders from a
court in the country it is registered, as other RIRs and other
organizations.<br>
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<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/10/2020 11:38, Mike Burns wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello List,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/ciaran_byrne/seizure-of-the-right-to-registration-of-ipv4-addresses"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/ciaran_byrne/seizure-of-the-right-to-registration-of-ipv4-addresses</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">RIPE has enforced a court order regarding
an IPv4 transfer where a buyer who had paid for the addresses
and complied with RIPE policies sought court protection of his
right to register those addresses.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note that this is not an ownership right
but still a right that can be court-enforced, in Europe at
least.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It has always been my understanding that
ARIN would enforce a court order that it deemed legally sound.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I like the idea that a buyer’s rights can
be protected in a court action and that ARIN would abide by
any court order demanding registration.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My question is whether ARIN would accept a
valid court order from any country in the ARIN region, in the
manner in which the German court’s order was enforced in the
Netherlands, where RIPE is registered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(Assuming the hypothetical is a buyer with
a valid contract specifying a transfer according to ARIN
policy, and that the buyer received a valid court order from
their jurisdiction requiring registration.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And what if the seller did not get paid
after a transfer, and a court order was issued to return the
registration rights to the seller, would ARIN be able to
effect that return to the seller given policy requiring a
demonstration of need, and despite the seller having
participated in transfers within the prior year?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can we simply assume that the legal
structures within which ARIN operates supersede any ARIN
policy restrictions?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure if this is better on arin-discuss
list, so I will post there as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In IPv4 transfers, escrow is normally used,
but if simple court-protections are a viable recourse to
settle disputes, it may be that escrow services are less a
requirement for a safe transfer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IPTrading.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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