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<P>Seems like a plan,</P>
<P>Go for it.</P>
<P>Regards<BR>Hayee Bokhari<BR>514-341-1579 Ex 212<BR>800-427-6012 Ex 212<BR><A
href="mailto:bokhari@cronomagic.com">bokhari@cronomagic.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.cronomagic.com">http://www.cronomagic.com</A></P>
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dir=ltr><FONT size=2><SPAN
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all, </SPAN><SPAN
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style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Alyssa
and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed all of the comments.
There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5
against. </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR></FONT>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38"
dir=ltr><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Many
of these comments express support for removing the restriction on total
holdings for a grandfathered organization, because this was not a
restriction when they were originally placed on the
list. </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR></FONT>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38"
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such, the amended proposal would look like
this: </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR></FONT>
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will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at the
adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position (STRIKE THIS:
</SPAN><SPAN
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their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or
less</SPAN><SPAN
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The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify
for is a /22.</SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All
restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of months
between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests met
through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the
waiting list.</SPAN><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=2>-Anita Nikolich</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr><FONT size=2>On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:09
PM Isaiah Olson <<A
href="mailto:isaiah@olson-network.com">isaiah@olson-network.com</A>>
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Hi all,</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>On behalf of my organization, I would
also like to voice support for this policy. As much as I find some
arguments against the policy compelling, namely that nobody is
guaranteed to receive any space within any kind of time frame when
using the waiting list, I think it’s pretty clear to the community
that an error was made in moving the target out from underneath
companies who had already been patiently waiting on the list in
accordance with the requirements at the time they were added.
</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>As far as implementation details, I
absolutely believe that two of the most important measures to prevent
fraud were the introduction of the /22 limit and the 60 month waiting
period to transfer wait list issued space. Although we may have erred
in retroactively removing orgs based on the new /20 limit for total
space held, I think that the grandfathered orgs should be subject to
the same treatment as the orgs who remained on the list after 2019-16
was implemented. Otherwise, I believe we would once again be creating
a situation of unequal treatment for the orgs who had to reduce their
request size to a /22 after the implementation of 2019-16, and were
subject to the new 60 month waiting period upon issuance.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>With regards to the proposed /18
limit, I do find that there is little to support this arbitrary
boundary when the original waitlist policy specified no such
condition. Since we are remedying a one time error, I think that we
shouldn’t be too particular about which of the aggrieved parties are
allowed to make use of that remedy. Although I personally believe that
most organizations holding greater than a /18 could probably afford to
obtain space in other ways, I think the duty of ARIN to be fair and
impartial requires us to take a bit broader view. Asking an
organization to take a smaller allocation, or wait longer to transfer
allocated space, seems to me to be a much less onerous retroactive
application of new policy than drawing any boundary which results in
complete ineligibility for some.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Isaiah Olson</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Olson Tech, LLC
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and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed all of the comments. There
are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5
against. </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR></FONT>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38" dir=ltr><FONT
size=2><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Many
of these comments express support for removing the restriction on total holdings
for a grandfathered organization, because this was not a restriction when they
were originally placed on the list. </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT
size=2><BR></FONT>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38" dir=ltr><FONT
size=2><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">As
such, the amended proposal would look like this: </SPAN></FONT></P><FONT
size=2><BR></FONT>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38" dir=ltr><FONT
size=2><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">ARIN
will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at the adoption
of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position (STRIKE THIS: </SPAN><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: line-through; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">if
their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less</SPAN><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">.)
The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a
/22.</SPAN></FONT></P><FONT size=2><BR><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All
restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of months between
July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests met through a transfer
will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.</SPAN><SPAN
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=2>-Anita Nikolich</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2><SPAN
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr><FONT size=2>On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM
Isaiah Olson <<A
href="mailto:isaiah@olson-network.com">isaiah@olson-network.com</A>>
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail-m_-2622431769821115873WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Hi all,</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>On behalf of my organization, I would also
like to voice support for this policy. As much as I find some arguments
against the policy compelling, namely that nobody is guaranteed to receive any
space within any kind of time frame when using the waiting list, I think it’s
pretty clear to the community that an error was made in moving the target out
from underneath companies who had already been patiently waiting on the list
in accordance with the requirements at the time they were added. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>As far as implementation details, I absolutely
believe that two of the most important measures to prevent fraud were the
introduction of the /22 limit and the 60 month waiting period to transfer wait
list issued space. Although we may have erred in retroactively removing orgs
based on the new /20 limit for total space held, I think that the
grandfathered orgs should be subject to the same treatment as the orgs who
remained on the list after 2019-16 was implemented. Otherwise, I believe we
would once again be creating a situation of unequal treatment for the orgs who
had to reduce their request size to a /22 after the implementation of 2019-16,
and were subject to the new 60 month waiting period upon issuance.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>With regards to the proposed /18 limit, I do
find that there is little to support this arbitrary boundary when the original
waitlist policy specified no such condition. Since we are remedying a one time
error, I think that we shouldn’t be too particular about which of the
aggrieved parties are allowed to make use of that remedy. Although I
personally believe that most organizations holding greater than a /18 could
probably afford to obtain space in other ways, I think the duty of ARIN to be
fair and impartial requires us to take a bit broader view. Asking an
organization to take a smaller allocation, or wait longer to transfer
allocated space, seems to me to be a much less onerous retroactive application
of new policy than drawing any boundary which results in complete
ineligibility for some.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Isaiah Olson</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2>Olson Tech, LLC </FONT></P></DIV></DIV><FONT
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