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<p class="MsoNormal">Being on the list certainly is not a guarantee of space, the issue with 2019-16 was the implementation. One of the criteria for a policy is “Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration”, however the implementation of 2019-16
did not fit that criteria in my opinion. Organizations with a cumulative of under a /20 that had a minimum request of over a /22 were given the option to change their request to a /22. Organizations with over a /20 didn’t have that option, they were just
dropped. That was not fair nor impartial to the 33 or so organizations on the list that had over a /20.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fair and impartial way to change the policy would have been to allow all organizations on the list the option to change their minimum request to a /22, and if it was not fulfilled before their eligibility expired (2 years I believe)
then they would have been eliminated from the list and would not have been eligible to get back on the list with the new criteria. Alternatively all organizations that were on the list that did not meet the new criteria at the time of implementation should
have been eliminated (all organizations that with a minimum request over a /22 regardless of current holdings). Either of those would have been fair and impartial, but that is not what happened. This proposal is an attempt to address that in the only available
method. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<span style="color:#002060">,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tom Pruitt <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Network Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Andrew Dul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I do not support the reintroduction of organizations onto the wait-list who were removed due to having existing address holdings larger than a /20. Being on the wait-list was never a guarantee that you would receive space. The AC had to balance the various
elements of block size and organizations who would be eligible to receive space under the updated policy and we were aware that the rules as implemented would prevent some organizations on the wait-list from receiving blocks going forward.
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<p>Speaking only for myself, not the AC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/19/2020 11:25 AM, Alyssa Moore wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi folks, <br>
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There was some great discussion of this policy proposal at ARIN45. We hear a wide range of views including:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Don't grandfather organizations. The new waitlist policy is sound. <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible for their original request size (even if it exceeds the new limit of a /22). <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should remain eligible if their holdings exceed a /20 OR a /18. The draft policy under discussion specifies a /18 total holdings for grandfathered orgs, while the current waitlist policy (2019-16) specifies
a /20.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible regardless of their total holdings because that was not a restriction of the policy under which they originally qualified for the waitlist. <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> There was general support to continue finessing this draft. If you have views on the above noted parameters, please make them known here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For reference: <br>
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<b>Old waitlist policy</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Requester specifies smallest block they'd be willing to accept, equal to or larger than the applicable minimum size specified elsewhere in ARIN policy.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
Did not place a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
Made resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 12 months. <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>New Waitlist Policy</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Limits the size of block ARIN can issue on the waitlist to a /22.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
Places a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist at a /20 or less.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
Makes resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 60 months. <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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Best, <br>
Alyssa<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I support this policy and believe the policy development process is the proper place to handle this issue. However, this policy seems to be implementable as a one-time policy directive to ARIN Staff. Once implemented, by putting the effected organizations back
on the waiting list, it seems unnecessary to memorialized the text in the NRPM, it would immediately become extraneous and potentially confusing to future readers of the NRPM.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, I would like to recommend the Policy Statement not be added to the NRPM upon its implementation. I believe this to be consistent with the intent of the policy. Otherwise, does ARIN Staff have procedural advice on how best to
handle what seems like a one-time directive?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from <br>
Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16<br>
<br>
Problem Statement:<br>
<br>
The implementation of the ARIN-2019-16 Advisory Council Recommendation <br>
Regarding NRPM 4.1.8: Unmet Requests caused some organizations to be <br>
removed from the waiting list that were approved under the old policy’s <br>
eligibility criteria. These organizations should have been grandfathered <br>
when the waitlist was reopened to allow them to receive an allocation of <br>
IPv4 up to the new policy’s maximum size constraint of a /22.<br>
<br>
Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows:<br>
<br>
Add section 4.1.8.3 (temporary language in the NRPM to remain until the <br>
policy objective is achieved)<br>
<br>
Restoring organizations to the waitlist<br>
<br>
ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at <br>
the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position if their total <br>
holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less. The maximum <br>
size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a /22.<br>
<br>
All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of <br>
months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests <br>
met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the <br>
waiting list.<br>
<br>
Comments:<br>
<br>
Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
<br>
Anything Else: While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other <br>
community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that some <br>
organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy.<br>
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