<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:25 PM David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:08 PM Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 09:15 Joe Provo <<a href="mailto:ppml@rsuc.gweep.net" target="_blank">ppml@rsuc.gweep.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 01:00:15PM -0600, David Farmer wrote:<br>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 12:01 PM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
[snip]<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div>[ clip ]</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><div dir="auto">The initial infra policies weren’t intended to be permanent. They were intended to be a crutch for growth occurring at a higher rate at that time. IXP and TLD growth in the US has slowed compared to when the policy was enacted. Everyone that needed benefit should have already gotten it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It would seem to make sense to clean up these pools all considered. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll agree that the intended longevity of the 4.4 pool was discussed at the time of its creation or at least when it was expanded and it was intended as a relatively short-term crutch for the IXP, TLDs and other critical infrastructure IPv4 micro allocation growth. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to right-sizing the 4.4 pool, with priority on other returned resources over the waiting list for replenishing this pool.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe right-size it down to a 5 or 6 year supply, based on the last 5 or 6 years of allocations, with the excess going to the waiting list</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's assume the pool size is a /15 and use an average rate of allocation IXP+CI of 18 /24 per year.</div><div><br></div><div>YEAR 0 - YEAR 5 = 105 /24's (generous as I measured beginning of period to end of period)</div><div><br></div><div> <b> BOP EOP</b></div><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" dir="ltr" border="1" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);table-layout:fixed;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;width:0px;border-collapse:collapse;border:none"><colgroup><col width="100"><col width="100"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">YR 0</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,072</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,054</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 1</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,054</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,037</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 2</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,037</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,019</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">YR 3</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,019</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,002</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 4</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">131,002</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,984</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 5</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,984</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,967</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">YR 6</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,967</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,949</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 7</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,949</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,931</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 8</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,931</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,914</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">YR 9</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,914</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,896</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 10</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,896</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,879</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 11</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,879</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,861</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">YR 12</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,861</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,844</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 13</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,844</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,826</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">YR 14</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,826</td><td style="border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);overflow:hidden;padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">130,808</td></tr></tbody></table> </div><div><br></div><div>If we were going to bracket at five years we'd need a total of 88 /24's. Which doesn't include returns. Although there probably aren't any. See distraction below.</div><div><br></div><div>IIRC correctly the motivation on the CI pool was a pending flood of new gTLD's. It was the period where the root was busted wide open for the wild west of TLD's e,g. ".cakeisgood". Which happened on paper (and cash) but didn't materialize numbers wise. It was a good insurance policy. Which seems less needed now. Same for IXPs. </div><div><br></div><div>// unrelated distraction //</div><div><br></div><div>Micro allocation for <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">206.51.35.0</span></div><div><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Discovered open port 1723/tcp on 206.51.35.6</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Discovered open port 1723/tcp on 206.51.35.25</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Discovered open port 1723/tcp on 206.51.35.33</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">
</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Discovered open port 1723/tcp on 206.51.35.7</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo">Hm. Something is not right there. What could it be?</p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><a href="https://pastebin.com/c0QYF5QZ">https://pastebin.com/c0QYF5QZ</a><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Cheers,</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">-M<</span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><div><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></div><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br></span></p></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>A little history; ARIN-2012-6 made an initial reservation of a /16 and ARIN-2014-21 increased the reservation to a /15.</div><div><a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2012_6.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2012_6.html</a></div><div><a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2014_21.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2014_21.html</a> </div><div><br></div><div>ARIN staff, could we get a history of the number of IPv4 micro allocations for each year, by type, going back to the implementation of ARIN-2012-6?</div><div><br></div><div>However, I don't recall any such discussion regarding the 4.10 pool. Quite the contrary it was my impression the 4.10 pool was intended to be around for at least an extended period of time, if not indefinitely. In short, it was intended to ensure the availability of small amounts of IPv4 needed for IPv6 deployment for a very long time. Therefore, I would be opposed to any kind of reduction to the 4.10 pool, other than by allocations as the policy intends, and if or when the pool starts to run low I would like to see it replenished.</div><div><br></div><div>A little history; ARIN-2008-5 is what became NRPM Section 4.10.<br></div><div><a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2008_5.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2008_5.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>While I think the waiting list is an important tool to ensure resources are not stuck at ARIN, I think continued micro allocations (4.4) and allocations of IPv4 needed to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10) should have priority for returned resources over the waiting list.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">===============================================<br>David Farmer <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota <br>2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br>=============================================== </div></div>
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