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<p>Hello David.<br>
Thanks for the responses and for the numbers below.</p>
<p>I have to agree that 4.10 and 4.4 specially should always be
treated with higher importance than the waiting-list.<br>
My initial concern was that three years were maybe too much, but
looking at these numbers it doesn't seem to. Obviously it will
always depend on usage rate and I agree 4.10 is expected to
increase reasonably over the next years so when this policy is
triggered we will have a chance to review how the replenishment
will work. On the other hand I have some concern about a possible
deadlock or freeze in the waiting list as I see it as a minimum
fair chance for newcomers to get some space the in a similar way
all others had in the past.</p>
<p>So I think your proposal based on the numbers below make sense.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando Frediani<br>
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- With regards returning any other returned, reclaimed or
revoke<br>
resources that were not from the reserved pools to them,
although I see <br>
the good intent of it I find it difficult to support it as
we don't know <br>
numbers related to this at the present. The numbers of
assignments from <br>
these reserved pools, the amount available and the forecast
for it are <br>
necessary for this analysis.<br>
Also it seems that three-year supply a long time for it to
be kept. If <br>
the numbers mentioned point to the direction of the need of
replenishing <br>
for these pools then the it may be necessary to review and
discuss the <br>
supply time better. Without this information I cannot
support this part <br>
of the proposal yet.<br>
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<div>The idea of this policy is to have a default action of
replenishing these reserved pools only when or if they get
down to a three-year or less supply. Until then, other
recovered resources go to the waiting list. Even then the
idea is to only replenish them to or maintain a three year
supply in the reserved pools, any resources recovered beyond
that would still go to the waiting list. </div>
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<div>Without this policy, when or if these reserved pools get
low, we will just let them run out unless we have a
consensus for a policy to change things at that time.
However, I would like default action to be to replenish the
reserved pools when or if they get low unless there is
consensus at that time to let them run out, requiring policy
action at that time if we want them to let them run out.</div>
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<div>As for the current status of these pools; the following
is from the ARIN 44 meeting report, at the beginning of
November, in response to a question during the discussion of
ARIN-2019-17;</div>
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<div>John Sweeting: John Sweeting, ARIN staff. I think I'm
going to answer Joe's question. So in the 4.10 pool, the
IP pool -- sorry, Cathy -- there are 15,727 /24s left. 657
have been used over the time since it was implemented. And
it puts about an average between 10 and 15 a month.</div>
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<div>On the 4.4, there's 123 issued. 389 left and about 1.5
per month. So maybe 15, 18 a year.<br>
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4.10 pool;
<div> 15,727 /24s left</div>
<div> 15 /24s a month</div>
<div> This is more than 80 years worth at that rate of use,
but I expect the rate of use will increase for this pool.</div>
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<div>4.4 pool;</div>
<div> 389 /24s left</div>
<div> 1.5 /24s a month</div>
<div> This is more than 20 years worth at that rate of use. </div>
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<div>So this policy is not expected to have any effect for
many years unless there is a dramatic increase in the use
of these pools. </div>
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Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
<br>
On 24/12/2019 11:41, ARIN wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 19 December 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC)
accepted <br>
> "ARIN-prop-281: Reserved Pool Replenishment" as a
Draft Policy.<br>
><br>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-21 is below and can be found
at:<br>
><br>
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> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on
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> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the
conformance of this <br>
> draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet
number resource policy <br>
> as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP).
Specifically, these <br>
> principles are:<br>
><br>
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource
Administration<br>
> * Technically Sound<br>
> * Supported by the Community<br>
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> The PDP can be found at:<br>
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> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Sean Hopkins<br>
> Policy Analyst<br>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-21: Reserved Pool
Replenishment<br>
><br>
> Problem Statement:<br>
><br>
> While the current level of resources in the reserve
pools created in <br>
> Sections 4.4 and 4.10 presently seem more than
adequate for their <br>
> intended purposes. Nevertheless, even these
well-resourced pools will <br>
> eventually run out. Therefore, we should make
arrangements for their <br>
> replenishment, if or when necessary.<br>
><br>
> Policy Statement:<br>
><br>
> Add a new subsection in IPv4 General Principles,
Section 4.1;<br>
><br>
> 4.1.X Reserved Pool Replenishment<br>
><br>
> Any resources allocated from a reserved pool created
in Sections 4.4 <br>
> or 4.10, or any other reserved pools created in the
future, that are <br>
> returned, reclaimed, or revoked will be returned to
the reserved pool <br>
> they were originally allocated from, regardless of
the current level <br>
> of each pool. Further, any other resources returned,
reclaimed, or <br>
> revoked will be prioritized for the replenishment of
any reserved pool <br>
> that falls below a running three-year supply, which
is based on the <br>
> previous three years of allocations from each pool.<br>
><br>
> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate<br>
><br>
> Anything Else:<br>
><br>
> ARIN Staff should regularly report on the levels and
projected <br>
> run-times for each reserved pool and immediately
report when any <br>
> reserved pool falls below a three-year running
supply.<br>
><br>
> A three-year running supply was chosen to provide the
ARIN Policy <br>
> Community adequate time to react through policy, as
deemed appropriate <br>
> at that time, to an imminent run out event for one of
the reserved pools.<br>
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