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<p>Exactly, and the main justification for this proposal to allow
subleasing is a total misuse of IP addressing and a try to
privilege specific companies in detriment to all others.</p>
<p>I do not agree that legitimizing leasing as such increases
accessibility to IPv4 space. Organization already have access to
it by transfers. By allowing leasing as such prices of both
leasing and transfer has the potential to rise significantly as
organizations will prefer much more to sublease than to transfer
which is logic to think that will increase pricing in general for
both and which is only interesting to those who are involved in
the transaction and not to those who are seeking for IPv4 space
and have already access via transfers.<br>
The point about keeping the correct registry updated is not a
justification either because this is already a obligation. If
someone is not doing that or is doing things in a different way is
going against the current policies. Any organization who signed a
contract when they became a member accepted to follow these rules
and they must bound to them, not the other way round.<br>
As said there is not reasons to issue addresses to anyone who will
not be using them on a operational network other than legitimate
speculation of IP space.</p>
<p>I consider the current text in NRPM as appropriate and therefore
I oppose this proposal in full.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/11/2019 11:28, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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<div class="">Even if the resources are to be re-assigned to
organizations or entities which do not receive connectivity from
the original registrant, I see no reason to issue addresses to
anyone who will not be using them on an operational network.</div>
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at 3:03 PM Kiran Malancharuvil <<a
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face="arial, sans-serif">Prior to
tomorrow's community discussion of
Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18, I wanted
to offer some clarification and
propose some language for
consideration to address questions
posed on the PPML.</font></div>
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face="arial, sans-serif">Regarding
the question over the intended
meaning of "non-connected networks",
I will clarify that I mean this
policy to refer to re-assignment to
organizations and entities which do
not receive connectivity from the
original registrant. </font></div>
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face="arial, sans-serif">As such, I
wanted to offer the following
alternative edit to 8.5.2: </font></div>
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style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"
class=""><font class=""
face="arial, sans-serif">8.5.2
Operational Use</font></span></div>
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class=""><font class="" face="arial,
sans-serif">ARIN allocates or
assigns number resources to
organizations via transfer <b
class=""><i class="">primarily</i></b>
for the purpose of use on an
operational network, <b class=""><i
class="">but may allocate or
assign number resources to
organizations for other
purposes, including
re-assignment to organizations
and entities which do not
receive connectivity from the
original registrant</i>.</b></font></p>
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<div class="">I believe this is consistent with the
intent of 2019-18, and I would support this
language.</div>
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sans-serif">Alternatively, and more
simply, since the sentence referencing
"non-connected networks" starts with
"including" and is therefore not meant
to be an exclusive "other purpose",
but rather illustrative, we can remove
it entirely. That option would read: </font></div>
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style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"
class=""><font class=""
face="arial, sans-serif">8.5.2
Operational Use</font></span></div>
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allocates or assigns number
resources to organizations via
transfer <b class=""><i class="">primarily</i></b>
for the purpose of use on an
operational network, <b
class=""><i class="">but may
allocate or assign number
resources to organizations
for other purposes. </i></b></font></p>
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<div class="">I believe this is materially different
than the text above, in that it would give ARIN
permission to approve transfers for any reason
whatsoever. ARIN in the past has interpreted such
ambiguity in favor of allowing whatever is not
expressly prohibited. As such, I don't think this
language accomplishes the original intent, and would
oppose it.</div>
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sans-serif"><i class="">*please
note that the online version
of the policy proposal reads
"solely primarily" instead of
"primarily". This is a typo
due to originally proposing
the language with the word
"solely" in strike-through
text (<strike class="">solely)</strike>,
which did not translate. </i></font></p>
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<font class="" face="arial, sans-serif"
color="#333333"><span class="">Further, I want
to clarify, as the original author of the
proposal, that the key intent of the policy is
to acknowledge that small and medium-sized
businesses have a need for IPv4 space, but
often cannot afford to buy space in the
current market. Legitimizing a subleasing
market increases accessibility to IPv4 space,
and opens the market to business solutions to
facilitate safe, trusted subleasing practices,
including keeping the correct registry
updated. </span></font>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="arial,
sans-serif" color="#333333"><span class="">Thanks
all for the continued discussion. </span></font></div>
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