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<p>Hello.<br>
Thanks for sending these important explanation and point and
congratulations to ARIN legal staff for this.</p>
<p>I would comment further saying that this type of assessment
raises the
importance to some points used in some discussions sometimes like
"The internet evolved in X aspect and we need to adapt to it",
"Business require it and the registry cannot refuse such thing".
It is necessary to analyze with caution a lot of different aspects
that sometimes may look obvious due to 'evolution' but may only be
interesting to a few.<br>
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<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/10/2019 20:16, Amy Potter wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey ppml,
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<div>We received a staff and legal assessment for ARIN 2019-13
ARIN Membership Legal Jurisdiction requirement a bit ago that
presented some serious concerns about adopting this policy.
Based on these concerns I plan to move to abandon this policy.
Just wanted to give the community an opportunity to voice
their opinions one last time. </div>
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<div>The policy proposal text is included at the end as a
refresher.</div>
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<div>Here were the legal assessment comments:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">• There are
significant material legal concerns regarding adoption of
this policy.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span
style="color:black">To date, entities receiving addresses
from ARIN have an ARIN region incorporation. This is
important, as it has permitted ARIN to send correspondence
or make legal service in its region to the entities it is
servicing. The proposed policy would reverse 21 years of
practice and experience and require ARIN accept the
necessity to potentially serve legal papers via a foreign
legal forum and litigate in non-region countries. Such
foreign legal forums may be located in some of the
countries not committed to the rule of law which is
prevalent in our region, and before foreign courts or
tribunals which are hostile to foreign business
interest and/or where the legal system may be expensive
and unresponsive. In addition, the capability for ARIN to
know its customer will be substantially reduced for out of
region companies with no in-region domiciled entity.
Considering the legal risks that would result from
the proposed policy, counsel has serious
concerns and would advise against adoption unless it is
shown that ARIN has clear and pressing need for adoption
to fulfill its mission. </span></p>
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style="color:black"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span
style="color:black"><u>Proposal Text</u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px">Problem
Statement:</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px">Legal
entities incorporated outside the ARIN service region that
have a strong nexsis to the ARIN as described in section 9
should be permitted to hold direct allocations and
assignments from ARIN.</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px">Example:
Imagine a US based global company that has many
international subsidiaries. The company does real business
both in the US, Canada, and Caribbean as well as in Europe,
Asia, Latin America, and Africa. The corporate headquarters,
majority of offices and employees are in the US. Most
C-level execs live and work in the US. The majority of
customer base, network infrastructure, and revenue
generation is within the ARIN service region.</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px">The
company decides to offer their services as part of a global
service offering in a particular non-ARIN region country.
Legal restrictions require an in-country legal entity to
hold ownership of the service providing network including
the registration of Autonomous system number used for
peering.</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px">The
global IP address management team desires to maintain their
ARIN relationship, and prefers to request ARIN to create an
OrgID for the (non-ARIN service region) in-country legal
entity, have ARIN assign an ASN, and re-allocate IPs from
the US entity that offers the service both inside and
outside of the ARIN service region.</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">Policy Statement:</font></p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">Current Text:</font></p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">A real and substantial connection
shall be defined as carrying on business in the ARIN
region in a meaningful manner. The determination as to
whether an entity is carrying on business in the ARIN
region in a meaningful manner shall be made by ARIN.
Simply being incorporated in the ARIN region shall not be
sufficient, on its own, to prove that an entity is
carrying on business in the ARIN region in a meaningful
manner. Methods that entities may consider using,
including cumulatively, to prove that they are carrying on
business in the ARIN region in a meaningful manner
include:</font></p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px"><font
face="arial, sans-serif" color="#333333">Revised Text:</font></p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px
0.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px"><font
face="arial, sans-serif">A real and substantial connection
shall be defined as carrying on business in the ARIN
region in a meaningful manner. The determination as to
whether an entity is carrying on business in the ARIN
region in a meaningful manner shall be made by ARIN.
Simply being incorporated in the ARIN region shall not be
sufficient, on its own, to prove that an entity is
carrying on business in the ARIN region in a meaningful
manner. Likewise, <b>l</b></font><font face="arial,
sans-serif"><b>egal entities can demonstrate a substantial
connection to the ARIN service region without
necessarily being incorporated within the ARIN service
region.</b></font><font face="arial, sans-serif"><b> </b>Methods
that entities may consider using, including cumulatively,
to prove that they are carrying on business in the ARIN
region in a meaningful manner include:</font></p>
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style="color:black"><br>
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