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    <p>Hello Mike</p>
    <p>I didn't say those things, you are putting words in my mouth.</p>
    <p>What I said is that in current time things like new entrants,
      critical infrastructure, and usage like the 4.10 pool should be
      prioritized for various reasons and organizations under these
      circumstances should not be directed to the market as their first
      option therefore RIRs should not shape their policies to push
      people to the transfer market which is not a natural thing and
      ideally should not exist. I however understand the need of it new
      a days and that this should be a option for organizations who
      already hold IP space.</p>
    <p>With regards the shutdown of the waiting list by the executive
      board I personally consider that a correct decision. They have
      detected a fraud and risk of that happening again and it is their
      role to do such things in order to protect the RIR and ourselves
      in order to make sure that a few organizations needs is not on the
      top of everybody needs. The favoring of small members is another
      correct thing as well.</p>
    <p>With regards opening a office in Africa to get "free" addresses
      fortunately the RIR doesn't allow inter-RIR transfers and
      according to what have been discussed in the list so far they are
      not willing to allow it anytime soon.</p>
    <p>There is no sense to put new entrants to get space from 4.4 or
      4.10 as they are for a different and reasonable propose and
      pushing them to market is exactly shaping policies to favor
      private business like yours which is not the function of a RIR and
      this community who develop these policies.<br>
      Things change over time and we have do adapt to new scenarios (the
      policies allowing transfers intra and inter RIR is a example), but
      we must never forget some principles that has always been base for
      correct IP space allocations.</p>
    <p>Regards<br>
      Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/2019 10:43, Mike Burns wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Hi Fernando,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Thanks for
            your input. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I think you
            are completely wrong in your interpretation of how IPv4
            addressing should be managed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">You cling to
            old processes and thoughts associated with the free pool
            era, which is gone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Without the
            presence of the free pool, the market is the “necessary and
            fair” way to manage resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">With both
            the presence of the free pool and the market, there are
            problems that manifested themselves in overt fraud.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">This
            situation caused unprecedented events like the unilateral
            shutting down of the waiting list by the executive board,
            the virtual writing of policy by the Advisory council, the
            changing of waiting list rules mid-game, the rationale of
            justifying the need for a block and then maintaining that
            same need for an indeterminate time before allocation, the
            creation of another class of addresses in ARIN space (not
            easily distinguished), the favoring of small members over
            large members, the FUD injected into project developments,
            the incentives to lease space to maintain waiting-list need,
            etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We only have
            to look across the pond to see that any pool of “free”
            addresses will be plundered by those willing to skirt the
            rules for new entrants in RIPE or open an empty office in
            Africa in order to access “free” addresses. You don’t have
            to limit your thoughts to addresses, just think about any
            situation where a valuable resource is available for “free”
            and you will find fraud.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">My hope was
            the recent fraud recovery would provide an opportunity to
            provide a block to everybody on the waiting list and then be
            able to shut it down without anybody left on it who was
            waiting for a long time. I think it’s the right time to
            shutter the waiting list. Should any more tinkering with the
            rules become necessary, it will likely impact many more
            people adversely in the future if the waiting list is more
            populated, as I believe it will, with members placing their
            lottery bets. How many new ORG-IDs will be granted to
            members holding more than a /20, for the purpose of avoiding
            that new rule limiting the waiting list to those with less
            than a /20? Whatever rule is imposed, a way around it will
            be sought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I think it
            should be shut down, and new entrants buy from the market,
            or adhere to the rules for 4.10 and 4.4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                style="color:windowtext"> ARIN-PPML
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando
                Frediani<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:04 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
                ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved
                Pool<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>The waiting list is a necessary and fair way to manage what
          is left for the RIR to distribute to organizations according
          to its mission and based on similar rules that were ever used.
          If there is fraud so let's fix rules for the addresses from
          these pools as it has been discussed recently about the
          minimal wait period for transfers.<br>
          What is out of the RIR's mission is shape its policies to
          favor the transfer market which should never be seen as
          something normal or natural or first option.<br>
          Fernando<o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 15/08/2019 18:47, Mike Burns wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">It’s hard to predict when the useful IPv4
            lifetime will end, so it’s hard to say whether runout of
            these reserved pools is unlikely, especially if conditions
            change.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">If  you feel 4.4 and 4.10 are severely
            overstocked, maybe a proposal to release those “sequestered”
            addresses should be forthcoming, as maintaining those pools
            at those levels is counter to our mission?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Do you have any comments on the problem
            statement, and the idea that the haphazard and unpredictable
            influx of addresses into the waiting list is problematic?
            For example, doesn’t the current constitution of the waiting
            list encourage virtually all ARIN members to enter the
            lottery for a /22? The size is small, the justification
            options pretty generous, the downside minimal.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">In my mind the waiting list is a fraud
            magnet and has outlived its  usefulness, and yes, this is an
            attempt to eliminate it without going down the auction
            route.  The addresses haven’t been destroyed, just taken off
            the market, adding the tiniest bit to the existing pools,
            whose size was approved by the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I support the policy as written and
            amended.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <a
                  href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owen DeLong<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:10 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> WOOD Alison * DAS <a
                  href="mailto:Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml <a
                  href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
                ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved
                Pool<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Really, it seems to me that this proposal
            is another attempt at eliminating the waiting list for unmet
            requests.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The first attempt (ARIN auctions the
              space) met with resistance from ARIN’s legal team (for
              good reason), so now this attempts to sequester the space
              where it will be hard to distribute rather than allowing
              the waiting list to have any potential to compete with the
              transfer market.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The proposed targets (4.4 and 4.10
              pools) are well stocked and unlikely to run out in any
              useful IPv4 lifetime.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">As such, restocking them from returned
              space strikes me as just a way to sequester this space
              where it cannot be used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">IMHO, this is counter to ARIN’s mission
              and should not be allowed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I oppose the policy as written and as
              proposed to be amended.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:55 , WOOD
                    Alison * DAS via ARIN-PPML <<a
                      href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Thank
                        you for the continued input on this draft policy
                        proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">I
                        will be updating the text of the draft policy to
                        include both 4.4 and 4.10 pools.  Point of
                        information, the 4.4 pool currently has
                        approximately 391 /24’s and 4.10 has
                        approximately 15,753 /24’s available and are not
                        estimated to run out in the next five years.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Please
                        keep your feedback coming, it is very helpful
                        for the council.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b>From:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML
                          [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                            Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Fernando
                          Frediani<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                          July 30, 2019 6:44 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>arin-ppml
                          <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17:
                          Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman ,serif",serif">The point is that
                      you treating IP marketing as something 'natural'
                      or a 'default route' which it is not and can never
                      be. Natural is to receive some addresses from the
                      RIR in first place so they are treated as anyone
                      else was in the past and have a chance to exist in
                      the Internet with same conditions as all others.
                      From that if they need extra space then fine to
                      seek for alternative ways.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman ,serif",serif">I don't think a new
                      entrants would automatically qualify for 4.10 in
                      all cases therefore any space left should be
                      targeted also to them as well to IPv6 transition
                      and critical infrastructure. Otherwise the
                      community will be creating an artificial barrier
                      to them in order to favor the IP market while the
                      RIR still has IPv4 space available for them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman ,serif",serif">Fernando</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman
                          ,serif",serif">On 30/07/2019 10:30, Tom
                          Fantacone wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
                              would think that the majority of new
                              entrants would need at least some
                              allocation to help with IPv6 transition
                              and would qualify for addresses from the
                              4.10 pool.  Depending on what they receive
                              from that pool and when, they may not
                              qualify for additional waiting list
                              addresses and would have to go to the
                              transfer market for additional IPv4 space
                              anyway.  Those that don't qualify under
                              4.10 can still get smaller IPv4 blocks on
                              the transfer market readily, and the cost
                              for blocks in the /24-/22 range is not
                              prohibitive.  Certainly an organization
                              seeking a small IPv4 block for
                              multi-homing or other purposes is better
                              off spending a few thousand dollars to
                              purchase a range than waiting a year on
                              the waiting list to put their plans in
                              motion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          Note that while RIPE does not have a reserve
                          pool specifically for IPv6 transition, the
                          expectation of their final /8 policy was to
                          allow new entrants access to IPv4 to assist in
                          this transition.  In reality, it didn't work
                          out that way and most of the /22 allocations
                          to new LIRs from the final /8 were to existing
                          organizations who spun up new, related
                          entities in order to increase their IPv4
                          holdings:<br>
                          <a
href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/so-long-last-8-and-thanks-for-all-the-allocations"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:purple"><br>
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/so-long-last-8-and-thanks-for-all-the-allocations</span></a><br>
                          <br>
                          I'm also sympathetic to new entrants, but
                          don't see the current waiting list as a great
                          help to them vs. the 4.10 pool or the transfer
                          market, both of which allow you your
                          allocation in a timely fashion.<br>
                          <br>
                          Best Regards,<br>
                          <br>
                          Tom Fantacone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:39:32 -0400<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Fernando
                                  Frediani <<a
                                    href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">fhfrediani@gmail.com</span></a>></b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote
                                ----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
                                  find it interesting the idea of
                                  privileging the pool dedicated to<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  facilitate IPv6 Deployment and I also
                                  agree with the comments below in<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  the sense that it's not very
                                  beneficial do most ARIN members due to
                                  max<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  size, /22, cannot be holding more than
                                  a /20.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  However one point I couldn't identify
                                  is where the new entrants stand in<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  this new possible scenario ? Will they
                                  only be able to apply under the<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  4.10 reserved pool ? If so for a
                                  access/broadband ISPs may be easier to<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  fit, but not necessarily for other
                                  scenarios and types of ISPs.<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  Therefore if I didn't miss anything
                                  these returned addresses should also<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  be able to go to new entrants, not
                                  only to 4.10 reserved pool conditions.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Best regards<br>
                                  Fernando Frediani<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On 25/07/2019 17:32, Tom Fantacone
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  > I found the wording of the
                                  Problem Statement on this one a bit<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > confusing. However, after
                                  deciphering the effect of the actual
                                  policy<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > change I support it.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Essentially, all returned IPv4
                                  space will no longer go to the waiting<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > list but will supplement the 4.10
                                  reserved pool used to enhance IPv6<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > deployment.  This essentially
                                  kills off the waiting list.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > The recent restrictions placed on
                                  the waiting list to reduce fraud<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > have hobbled it to the point
                                  where it's not very beneficial to most<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > ARIN members.  (Max size, /22,
                                  cannot be holding more than a /20). <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > It's essentially only useful to
                                  new entrants, but those that go on it<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > still have to wait many months to
                                  receive their small allocation.  If<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > they justify need now, but have
                                  to wait that long, how critical is<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > their need if they're willing to
                                  wait that long?  Small blocks are not<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > terribly expensive and can be
                                  quickly gotten on the transfer
                                  market. <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > I can understand waiting that
                                  long for a large block needed for a<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > longer term project due to
                                  prohibitive cost, but I don't see a
                                  great<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > benefit to the waiting list as it
                                  stands.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Also, if there's any fraud left
                                  on the waiting list, this would kill
                                  it.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > I would hope, however, that if
                                  implemented, those currently on the<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > waiting list would be
                                  grandfathered in.  I do think some
                                  entities with<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  > legitimate need got burned on the
                                  last change made to the waiting list.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > At 04:05 PM 7/23/2019, ARIN
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  >> On 18 July 2019, the ARIN
                                  Advisory Council (AC) accepted<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> "ARIN-prop-276: Returned
                                  Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool"
                                  as a<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> Draft Policy.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17 is
                                  below and can be found at:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_17/"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_17/</span></a><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> You are encouraged to discuss
                                  all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC
                                  will<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> evaluate the discussion in
                                  order to assess the conformance of
                                  this<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> draft policy with ARIN's
                                  Principles of Internet number resource<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> policy as stated in the
                                  Policy Development Process (PDP).<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> Specifically, these
                                  principles are:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> * Enabling Fair and Impartial
                                  Number Resource Administration<br>
                                  >> * Technically Sound<br>
                                  >> * Supported by the Community<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> The PDP can be found at:<br>
                                  >><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</span></a><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Draft Policies and Proposals
                                  under discussion can be found at:<br>
                                  >><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</span></a><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Regards,<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Sean Hopkins<br>
                                  >> Policy Analyst<br>
                                  >> American Registry for
                                  Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17:
                                  Returned Addresses to the 4.10
                                  Reserved Pool<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Problem Statement:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> An inconsistent and
                                  unpredictable stream of address space
                                  is an<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> unsuitable method of
                                  populating the waiting list (4.1.8.1)
                                  and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> fulfilling subsequent
                                  requests.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Policy statement:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Change "4.10. Dedicated IPv4
                                  Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment"
                                  to<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> "4.10 Dedicated IPv4 Pool to
                                  Facilitate IPv6 Deployment"<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Change" When ARIN receives
                                  its last /8 IPv4 allocation from IANA,
                                  a<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> contiguous /10 IPv4 block
                                  will be set aside and dedicated to<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> facilitate IPv6 deployment.
                                  Allocations and assignments from this<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> block " to "In addition to
                                  the contiguous /10 IPv4 block set
                                  aside<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> and dedicated to facilitate
                                  IPv6 deployment, all returns and<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> revocations of IPv4  blocks
                                  will be added to the pool of space<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> dedicated to the facilitation
                                  of IPv6 deployment. Allocations and<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> assignments from this pool "<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Change "This block will be
                                  subject to a minimum size allocation
                                  of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> /28 and a maximum size
                                  allocation of /24. ARIN should use
                                  sparse<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> allocation when possible
                                  within that /10 block." to "This pool
                                  will<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> be subject to a minimum size
                                  allocation of /28 and a maximum sized<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> allocation of /24. ARIN
                                  should use sparse allocation when
                                  possible<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  >> within the pool."<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Comments:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Timetable for implementation:
                                  Immediate<br>
                                  >>
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