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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve been too busy to take care of all my emails …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think David and Scott captured very well my intent. The point was to clarify in the problem statement “why and when” this problem was generated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 26/6/19 20:03, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Scott Leibrand" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I agree with David, that a simple one-word change here would be best, and we should clarify the problem statement to refer to the "perverse reading" as "implicit", not "explicit".<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think the "actual" vs. "current" language is just a (fairly common) translation issue/misunderstanding: as I understand it, "actual" in the original proposer's native language best translates to "current" in English (and "real" translates to "actual").<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 4:35 PM David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I agree with others, the problem statement needs to be simplified and clarified significantly. Furthermore, the only change in the policy text needed is to add "authroized" to the current text, as in "authorized third parties". More provided inline;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 20 June 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-275: <br>Hijacking Authorization Not-intended" as a Draft Policy.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>... <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Draft Policy ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authorization Not-intended<br><br>Problem Statement:<br><br>When prop-254 (Clarification on IPv6 Sub-assignments), it was not <br>related, neither intended, to modify the “exclusivity” criterion.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It is not clear to me what this paragraph is intended to mean.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Of course, it was not intended to provide an explicit authorization for <br>incidental or transient uses of address space by third parties, which in <br>fact it is a hijacking of addresses.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In no way is "explicit authorization" provided to do anything like hijacking a prefix by the statement called out. At best, you could argue that "implicit authorization" is provided and that is a rather perverse interpretation of the text.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Explicit - stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Implicit - implied though not plainly expressed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>However, I would argue that the whole statement implies authorization by the recipient for anything and the fix to any problems is to explicitly restrict the statement to "authorized third parties". Changing much more than that risks changing the meaning in subtle and unintended ways, and it was hard enough to agree on what we have now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>However, surprisingly, the resulting text (last paragraph of the NRPM <br>section 2.5), after the ARIN AC editorial process, is doing that.<br><br>This policy proposal tries to fix this specific text in the NRPM section <br>2.5 to avoid that misinterpretation.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Maybe replace the whole problem statement with;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments, could be perversely interrupted to imply the unauthorized use of a prefix "by third parties" is allowed, such as prefix hijacking. This is clearly not intended. The solution to this is to explicitly restrict the statement to "authorized third parties." <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Policy Statement:<br><br>Actual Text<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This should be "Current Text", as the intent of any policy proposal is to change the "Actual Text", that is the intent is for the "New Text" to become the "Actual Text". <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Note that the incidental or transient use of address space by third <br>parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the <br>exclusive use criterion.<br><br>New Text<br><br>Note that the incidental or transient use of address space by third <br>parties, within the network of the recipient organization, shall not be <br>considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This text possibly solves prefix hijacking but probably creates new issues. However, if the original text implies prefix hijacking is permitted, it also implies unauthorized attachments to a network are permitted, and this proposed text wouldn't fix that problem. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think the "New Text" should be the following;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Note that the incidental or transient use of address space by authorized third parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Timetable for Implementation: Immediate<br><br>Anything Else:<br><br>Situation in other regions: There is not equivalent explicit hijacking <br>authorization in other RIRs.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Again I take exception to "explicit hijacking authorization", there is nothing in the entire NRPM that explicitly authorizes the hijacking of prefixes, let alone the current statement called out. I'd suggest striking this paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>===============================================<br>David Farmer <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota <br>2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br>=============================================== <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). 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