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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2019 12:27 PM, Alyssa Moore
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<div dir="ltr">Hi folks, <br>
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Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this
thread, please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft
policy. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42
AM David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at
2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">OK,
I’ve read it, and here is my reaction:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This policy requires
legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do
not specifically prohibit ARIN from
monetizing returned or revoked resources by
selling those resources into the transfer
market<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So
point #1 is that this proposed policy does
not violate any articles or bylaws.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Today, ARIN does not
financially benefit in any material way from
such revocations. Adoption of this policy
would for the first time allow the party in
a contested revocation situation to argue
that ARIN seeks to financially benefit.
Avoiding that concern is also significant.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
am totally unimpressed with this argument.
If ARIN revokes addresses for nonpayment it
is financially benefiting from the
revocation is it not? It is basically taking
them back because it is not getting paid. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into
the transfer market what is the difference
exactly?</span></p>
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<div>Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft
Policy says, "this policy provides valuable number
resources essentially for free". </div>
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<div>Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but
currently, that benefit is at a level of cost recovery,
"essentially for free" as stated above. Whereas, if ARIN
were to dispose of resources using the market, the level
of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude
larger. Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the
impact on the market and the potential for fraud
supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft
policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first
place. </div>
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<div>In short, "what is the difference", probably, several
orders of magnitude in the level of financial benefit
involved. Where the financial motivations from simple
"cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by
the court. Whereas the potential financial motivations,
that one might even call a windfall, from market-based
transactions probably at least needs to be examined and
evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be
summarily dismissed. The outcome of the two situations
might be the same in the end, but the level of effort
involved defending and the level of risk of an adverse
ruling, are not the same at all. </div>
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<div>More generally, ARIN participating in the market
seems distasteful and counter to its overall mission,
but doesn't directly violate its Articles and Bylaws.</div>
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<div>That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the
policy, but these risks need to be evaluated when
compared to other alternatives being considered, along
with the possible benefits this policy could have as
well.</div>
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