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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Robert and Bill that it is an illogical market distortion to have this source of free addresses.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And that the assumption that “need” at an earlier point in time is still the same “need” when addresses randomly come available in the future is faulty.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would prefer to starve the waiting list to death, but apparently it continues to be fed by various inputs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>(I think recovered addresses should be returned to IANA or added to another reserve pool at ARIN instead of adding them to waiting list inventory.) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t support the selling of addresses by ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think the 5 year waiting period is 4 years too long.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think the recent recovery of fraudulently allocated space means that those already on the waiting list should be grandfathered-in regarding size, and regarding the new size limit of a /20 of their current holdings.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That said, in the interests of moving forward I support the AC recommendation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Clarke<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 06, 2019 9:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> William Herrin <bill@herrin.us><br><b>Cc:</b> ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml@arin.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with William. It's definitely not logical to hand out free addresses.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Robert Clarke<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 6, 2019, at 6:21 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Support, though frankly I'd prefer it if ARIN simply abolished the wait list and put the addresses on the transfer market. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Philosophically speaking, how could you possibly *need* addresses the way we think of need if you can afford to wait months and months for them to become available on the wait list? Seems to me like there's some fudging going on at this point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill Herrin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 immediately.<br>><br>> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist<br>><br>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4 and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that an organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations will be able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24. Only organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and be approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to all future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.<br>><br>> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days after receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4 addresses.<br>><br>> 4.1.8.1 Sequencing<br>><br>> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one approved request on the waiting list at a time.<br>><br>> 4.1.8.2 Fulfillment<br>><br>> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the size of each available address block as address blocks become available for distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list<br><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>William Herrin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://bill.herrin.us/" target="_blank">https://bill.herrin.us/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>