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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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      <div class="">Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy
        holders for any blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for
        the market.</div>
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      <div class="">Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in
        this space because they stop paying their ARIN bill.</div>
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      <div class="">Eliminating the resale value of these addresses
        won’t really encourage squatting on them and limiting the size
        of organization and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8
        further helps to reduce the potential for hoarding.</div>
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      <div class="">I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t
        be monetized is a lost opportunity for your organization, but I
        think there’s plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been
        processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale
        potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.</div>
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      <div class="">Owen</div>
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            <div class="">On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <<a
                href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" class=""
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                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The
                  percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant
                  leap at the /19 size.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Below
                  that, the percentages are all below 7%.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">At /19 and
                  above, the percentages are all above 21%.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Seems like
                  a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but
                  prices do continue to rise.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">While we
                  want to fight fraud, we should still remember the
                  underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply
                  to these addresses as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That is,
                  the market provides incentives for efficient use and
                  accurate registration.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                        class="">From:</b><span
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                      <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"
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                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John
                      Curran<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                      May 28, 2019 1:53 PM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
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                      List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"
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                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
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                      Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after
                      issuance<br class="">
                      <b class="">Importance:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>High<o:p
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Folks - <o:p
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                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It
                    occurred to me that it might be useful to have a
                    quick summary of waiting list blocks issued and
                    subsequently transferred. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                    font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Attached
                    is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all
                    blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list
                    policy and subsequently transferred via NRPM
                    8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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                      Curran<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                      and CEO<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                      Registry for Internet Numbers<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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