
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Hi Owen,<br></div><div><br></div><div>The plain inference that my opinion is based on my brokering is ad hominem.<br></div><div>However, I will allow it! ;-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br>Mike</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="" class="zmail_extra"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">---- On Tue, 28 May 2019 22:52:13 -0400 <b>Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com></b> wrote ----<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 6px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;"><div class="" style=""><div>Mike,<br></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.<br></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space because they stop paying their ARIN bill.<br></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really encourage squatting on them and limiting the size of organization and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to reduce the potential for hoarding.<br></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is a lost opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.<br></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen<br></div><div class=""><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <<a target="_blank" class="" href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div style="page:WordSection1;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class="x_-1727336530WordSection1"><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do continue to rise.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these addresses as well.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and accurate registration.<br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Regards,<br class="">Mike</div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class=""><div class="" style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">From:</b><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML <<a target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline;" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Curran<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML List <<a target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline;" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span>[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance<br class=""><b class="">Importance:</b><span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span>High</div></div></div><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Folks - <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently transferred. <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.<br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">FYI,<br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">/John<br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">John Curran<br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">President and CEO<br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">American Registry for Internet Numbers<br></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><image001.png></span><br></div></div></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">_______________________________________________</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">ARIN-PPML</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span></span><a target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">).</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:</span></span><br></div><div><a target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Please contact<span class="x_-1727336530Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a target="_blank" class="" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.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