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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Apologies not necessary, I know your intentions were benign.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have a thin skin for this, because brokers seem to be singled out for notice on policy lists around the various RIRs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As if only brokers have a pecuniary interest that guides their policy decisions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As if a broker’s position on a policy is automatically discounted by the amount he stands to gain.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I know this does not apply to you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>; ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml@arin.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Apologies… It was not intended as such.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All of us have a natural tendency to color our opinions with our perspectives, our interests, and our experiences.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have nothing against you or against brokers in general. I admit that I wish we didn’t need IP address monetization as I believe it creates multiple incentives in directions that aren’t necessarily good.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nonetheless, I do recognize the need and I have voted in favor of various policies related to that in my tenure on the AC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hopefully we can move beyond IPv4 in for the most part in the coming years..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 29, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The plain inference that my opinion is based on my brokering is ad hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>However, I will allow it! ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Tue, 28 May 2019 22:52:13 -0400 <b>Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space because they stop paying their ARIN bill.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really encourage squatting on them and limiting the size of organization and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to reduce the potential for hoarding.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is a lost opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do continue to rise.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these addresses as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and accurate registration.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span>ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</span></a>><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span></b>John Curran<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span>ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>arin-ppml@arin.net</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span>[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance<br><b>Importance:</b><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space> </span>High<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Folks - <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently transferred. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FYI,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>/John<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Curran<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>President and CEO<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>American Registry for Internet Numbers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><image001.png><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>ARIN-PPML</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>ARIN-PPML@arin.net</span></a></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>).</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Please contact</span></span><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>info@arin.net</span></a></span><span class=x-1727336530apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>if you experience any issues.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>