<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I support the /22 per-request limit and /20 total limit for 4.1.8. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">These Orgs joined the waiting list with the expectation that they would receive at least the minimum size they requested in perhaps a year or so, made their business plans accordingly, and opted not to use the transfer market when they were approved. Since then prices for IPv4 have risen significantly. I believe it unfair to change the rules on them so drastically. There is no evidence that there are a significant number of fraudsters still on the list.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do not think that organizations already on the list should get special treatment in any regard. There is clear abuse which was most recently demonstrated by Amir Golestan and there are likely to be fraudulent organizations on the list. ARIN is not here to serve only the interests of the handful of those that got in early on the list with large requests, but to serve the larger community as a whole. Thousands of small businesses will benefit from having up to a /20 of 4.1.8 space to kick start their operations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I disagree with allowing the 4.1.8 IPs to be transferred full stop, with or without a 60 month limit. The "no-transfer" policy works well to curb abuse in 4.10 and would work well for 4.1.8 also. If you don't need IPs anymore, great, but you shouldn't get to profit off the transfer. Allowing even a 60 month transfer window still encourages abuse.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Full disclosure; I am a shareholder in 3 organizations that have /21+ requests on the waiting list.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 24, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Michael Williams <<a href="mailto:michael.williams@glexia.com" class="">michael.williams@glexia.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Why not send the IPs back to ARIN and let them transfer them to the next organisation? Why let orgs transfer them directly this incentives fraud or misuse. Any IP obtained from waiting list should go back to ARIN if no longer in use not sold or transferred on a secondary market.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">On 25 May 2019, at 05:59, Tom Pruitt <<a href="mailto:tpruitt@stratusnet.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tpruitt@stratusnet.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Well said, this is pretty much exactly how I feel.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks<span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">,</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Tom Pruitt</div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tom Fantacone<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, May 24, 2019 2:38 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Keeping in mind that the original suspension of the waiting list and calls for restrictions was based upon statistical evidence that multiple actors were committing waiting list fraud, and that we've subsequently learned it was really one bad actor with multiple Orgs/identities, who has been caught, stopped and punished, I'm reluctant to go overboard on restrictions that harm the vast majority of fair players. Still, we do want to change incentives to prevent this from happening again.<br class=""><br class="">1. I support the /22 limit.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">I think the size limit for those on the current waiting list should be significantly larger, however. I suggest an /18 or at least a /19. These Orgs joined the waiting list with the expectation that they would receive at least the minimum size they requested in perhaps a year or so, made their business plans accordingly, and opted not to use the transfer market when they were approved. Since then prices for IPv4 have risen significantly. I believe it unfair to change the rules on them so drastically. There is no evidence that there are a significant number of fraudsters still on the list.<br class=""><br class="">2. I support that only Orgs holding a /20 or less can get on the waiting list.<br class="">I don't want it applied to existing Orgs on the list for the same reasons as in 1.<br class=""><br class="">3. I oppose the 60 month waiting period before an 8.3 transfer.<br class="">It's too long. Plenty of legitimate Orgs need the IPs, will use them for 2-3 years, but may not need them after that. And this policy would incentivize them to sit on the addresses till the 60 months runs out, wasting valuable resources others could use, as others have pointed out. I suggest a 24 month waiting period.</span></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,</span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Tom</span></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">---- On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:04:58 -0400<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a>></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote ----</span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">recommendation regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.<br class=""><br class="">The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">conclude on 7 June.<br class=""><br class="">Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC’s<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">recommendation and the PPML discussion.<br class=""><br class="">The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.<br class=""><br class="">Sean Hopkins<br class="">Policy Analyst<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Advisory Council recommendation:<br class=""><br class="">This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">staff and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">meeting on May 16, 2019.<br class=""><br class="">In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">of Trustees in response to the Board’s suspension of part of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 of the Numbering<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Resource Policy Manual:<br class=""><br class="">Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 immediately.<br class=""><br class="">4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist<br class=""><br class="">ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">an organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">will be able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">a /24. Only organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">may apply and be approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">will not be eligible for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">will be applied to all future distributions from the waitlist to include<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">those currently listed.<br class=""><br class="">Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">after receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">additional space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">requirement if the requester can document a change in circumstances<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">since their last request that could not have been reasonably foreseen at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">the time of the original request, and which now justifies additional<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">space. Qualified requesters whose request will also be advised of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">availability of the transfer mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">mechanism to obtain IPv4 addresses.<br class=""><br class="">4.1.8.1 Sequencing<br class=""><br class="">The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">approved request on the waiting list at a time.<br class=""><br class="">4.1.8.2 Fulfillment<br class=""><br class="">ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">size of each available address block as address blocks become available<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">for distribution. A timely review of the original request may be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">conducted by ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. 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