<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, ARIN can terminate the RSA for illegal conduct, however, generally, that clause is expecting the findings of a court of competent jurisdiction to make the determination that illegal activity has occurred. Without such a finding from a court, ARIN could be found liable for unfair termination. That clause doesn't mean that ARIN decides who is guilty of such conduct, which you seem to want ARIN to do. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 6:41 PM Marilson Mapa <<a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="gmail-m_2790635461236883962gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Wingdings">Ø<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span>If organizations violate their legal agreements
with you, then that’s a matter for the legal system, not ARIN.</p>
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</span></span>ARIN is not law enforcement agency, but rather a
Regional Internet Registry.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">REGISTRATION SERVICES AGREEMENT – ARIN-RSA</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">13. TERM AND TERMINATION</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(b) Suspension of Services or Termination of Agreement for
Cause by ARIN. ARIN shall have the right to suspend Services without notice to
Holder if Holder breaches any of Sections 2(c), 2(d), 4 or 7. In addition, ARIN
may immediately suspend Services upon written notice to Holder pursuant to
Section 2(e) or if Holder breaches Section 2(d) or Section 11.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sections 2(d):</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(d) Prohibited Conduct By Holder. In using any of the
Services, Holder shall not: (i) disrupt or interfere with the security or use
of any of the Services; (ii) violate any applicable laws, statutes, rules, or
regulations; or (iii) assist any third party in engaging in any activity prohibited
by any Service Terms.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(e) Cooperation With Government Authority. ARIN shall have
the right, without liability or notice to Holder, to cooperate and comply with
all applicable laws, statutes, rules, or regulations.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">5. CURRENT AND FUTURE POLICIES: Pursuant to ARIN’s Policy
Development Process (“PDP”), ARIN maintains the Policies and may at any time in
its sole and absolute discretion amend the Policies, implement new policies
(which once amended or implemented, becomes part of the Policies), or revoke
existing Policies.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">7. NO PROPERTY RIGHTS: Holder acknowledges and agrees that:
(a) the Included Number Resources are not property (real, personal, or
intellectual) of Holder;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It is your rules granted by a contract signed between the
parties. Once signed they are rights, but they are also duties and obligations
legal and moral. Regardless of the existence of a contract, as a citizen you
have a moral obligation to demand ethical behavior from those who use the tools
you have made available. Run away from your responsibilities and you will be
complicit.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">"Fraud will not be tolerated. The vast majority of
organizations obtain their address space from ARIN in good faith according to
the policies set out by the community. However, ARIN detected fraud as a result
of internal due diligence processes, and took action to respond in this
particularly egregious case," said John Curran, ARIN President and CEO.
"We are stepping up our efforts to actively investigate suspected cases of
fraud against ARIN and will revoke resources and report unlawful activity to
law enforcement whenever appropriate."</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fraud will not be tolerated when it occurs against the
community. But it is widely tolerated if it is against the populations. It
seems that "police" actions are only out of scope when they will
reduce community profits. <span lang="PT-BR">To
hell with the world!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="PT-BR">Marilson </span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui, 23 de mai de 2019 às 15:43, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 23 May 2019, at 5:46 PM, Marilson Mapa <<a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com" target="_blank">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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the crime pages of the newspapers. But they would be far less rich. So... out of the scope!</span><br>
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<div>If organizations violate their legal agreements with you, then that’s a matter for the legal system, not ARIN. </div>
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<div>ARIN is not law enforcement agency, but rather a Regional Internet Registry. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mr. Router, will the "768K day" happen? On May 1st, 700 billion spam were trafficked. What is the new goal? A trillion a day? You are experts at pissing
people off, are not you? What a sick profession! After an exhausting day irritating people, can you sleep at night? Sociopaths can do it!</span><br>
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That's it Mr. John Curran. Feel free to do what you have to do because you no longer have any use for me.
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<div>To the extent that you can respectfully contribute to the number resource policy discussions on this mailing list, you are more than welcome to do so.</div>
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<div>I would suggest, however, that you refrain from the acerbic dialogue and instead focus your efforts on making specific suggestions on the draft policies under consideration. </div>
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<div>Thanks! </div>
<div>/John</div>
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