<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Um, did IETF delegate 240/4 to IANA to manage at all?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seems to me that we would first need an RFC to do that (or one which amends RFC-1918 to add 240/4 to it, taking IANA out of the loop).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Since I don’ t think there’s a benefit to having IANA in the loop and I think we’d need IETF action on the matter to proceed anyway, I don’t see an advantage to adding IANA to the mix.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 16, 2019, at 7:34 PM, David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" class="">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I suppose we could try a global policy that would have to pass in all 5 RIRs requesting IANA and the IETF to allocate 240/4 for Private Use. If that were to actually occur, it seems difficult for the IETF to ignore such a request. While on the other hand, I'm not sure there would be a consensus within the ARIN community, let alone the other RIRs, to do such a thing anyway. Nevertheless, there is no way for ARIN to unilaterally allocate 240/4 for any purpose.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 21:09 Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" class="">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">240/4 isn’t ARIN’s to allocate or do you think ARIN should squat on the space? :-)<br class="">
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> On 17 May 2019, at 11:48 am, Michel Py <<a href="mailto:michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us" target="_blank" class="">michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> Joe Provo wrote :<br class="">
>> By all means, go tilt at the class e windmill if you like;<br class="">
>> it will only be the fourth time or so, I can't recall.<br class="">
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> I was trying to convince Owen to co-author with me ;-)<br class="">
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>> But it isn't anything for ARIN policy, so feel free to take it up at the IETF...<br class="">
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> I would not waste more time there.<br class="">
> ARIN is the entity having the squatting problem : we have members who use the resources of another member and they should not.<br class="">
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> There is precedent, Owen will remember that I'm sure. During the early days, there was no IPv6 multi-homing solution. The RIRs, not the IETF, started to allocate IPv6 PI addresses to organizations who wanted to multi-home, while there was no such thing as IPv6 PI. I remember that the IETF was not happy with that, but it worked : since then, we have IPv6 multi-homing, the good old way that works, not any of the dirty hacks that were on the table at the time.<br class="">
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> ARIN allocates 240/4 for private unicast to ARIN members.<br class="">
> Maybe we could convince Geoff and APNIC to try the alternative way.<br class="">
> Long shot, I know.<br class="">
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> Owen, you allow your vision of "all IPv6" to cloud your judgment. Turning IPv4 off is not going to happen for decades.<br class="">
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> Michel.<br class="">
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