<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Bagrin is the founder of MyDigitalShield (Omninet). He sells security. The worse, the better for his business. But he's here asking why people do not want to let ARIN help. He puts the interests of society in front of his business: "the heartbeat of America is really the small businesses”; “hackers will move beyond downloadable versions of antivirus software and malware blockers and develop something that will sneak by those defenses".<br><br>This ethical behavior should be imitated by this community that has thrown ethics in the trash. There are many whys in your speech, after all, asking does not offend. And even the answers should not offend no matter how hard they may be. The "out of scope" as negative to do nothing is unacceptable because it is not sustained ethically, neither morally nor legally. This behavior indicates a commitment to the current immoral and criminal status quo.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Marilson</div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em sex, 3 de mai de 2019 às 11:05, Andrew Bagrin <<a href="mailto:abagrin@omninet.io">abagrin@omninet.io</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm curious why do people not want to let ARIN try to start getting involved to help resolve the issue of hijacking?<div><br></div><div>Are you doing hijacking and don't want interference?</div><div>Are you running a competitive service that you charge for?</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone believe there is a valid reason to hijack and advertise IP space that you do not own? (when the owner of that space does not want you to advertise it)</div><div><br></div><div>Why would anyone be against ARIN having a process to help resolve these issues? Sure we can question how effective it will be, but anything will be more effective than nothing, and by actually doing, failing and learning, ARIN will only improve and refine the process. We will all learn from this.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 10:08 PM Marilson Mapa <<a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com" target="_blank">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>The president of ARIN describes his institution as an RIR with appropriate and functional policies. This is what we can deduce from his speech whenever he describes the performance of his institution. This same attitude can be seen in RIPE.</div><div><br></div><div>"Violation can have consequence".</div><div><br></div><div>It seems that the expression "can have" should be understood as "almost never", after all how to explain the rot that permeates the global Internet? The complaints, the lawsuits, the fines are becoming more and more frequent.</div><div>I have today received as a member of BPF Cybersecurity the document **<i>UN 1st Committee Processes on Responsible State Behaviour in Cyberspace explainer**. </i>This 25-page document, addressed to ICANN, reports what they call disastrous behavior. It was drafted by Rubin International Law Firm and Notary of Israel for a Jewish religious institution. </div><div><br></div><div>Basically they are demanding:</div><div>"We require ICANN to terminate immediately the activities fostering Internet addiction, including the performance of relevant IANA functions, relevant gTLD activities, relevant Registry Operators' activities, relevant ICANN-accredited registrars' activities, including through RESP and amendments of registry and registrar agreements and to refrain from renewing the .info registry agreement with Afilias unless Afilias and its related companies terminate immediately activities fostering Internet addiction and the .info registry agreement is amended to prohibit Internet addiction activities."<br></div><div><br></div><div>It's just one of the thousands of complaints popping up around the globe. And ARIN does not move a finger... It's out of the scope...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Marilson</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui, 2 de mai de 2019 às 17:01, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> On May 2, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> ...<br>
> It seems evident that a RIR can't revoke legacy space. Ever.<br>
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Carlos -<br>
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In the case of ARIN that would be incorrect, as ARIN has revoked legacy address space from parties that have violated registry policies.<br>
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ARIN registry policies are applicable to all parties in the registry - those legacy holders under RSA do have specific terms and conditions (and a reduced fee schedule), but ARIN registry policies are applicable regardless and violation can have consequence.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
/John <br>
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John Curran<br>
President and CEO<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers<br>
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