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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/05/2019 12:16, Scott Leibrand
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      <div>ARIN’s only authority is to over their registry of who “has”
        which addresses, so the only thing I can imagine they could do
        would be to threaten to revoke unrelated registrations from a
        transit provider who willfully or negligently accepted the BGP
        announcement of space from an entity it wasn’t registered to.
        But if tier 1 transit providers aren’t willing to filter, let
        alone depeer, each other over hijacking today, it seems unlikely
        they’d be willing to stop accepting formerly legitimate prefixes
        from a peer or customer network just because ARIN is trying to
        take that space away to punish the network for accepting an
        unrelated hijacked announcement. <br>
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    It doesn't really seem to be this the discussion about Transit
    providers accepting or not certain announcements. Even if a Transit
    Provider accepts announcements from people who are not responsible
    for an allocation nor has authorization to do that they should only
    be warned to take correction measures. I don't think the main aim of
    the propose is do anything with Transit providers.<br>
    Even in a hypothesis a Transit provider has no filters a hijack will
    not occur if a hijacker doesn't initiate it.<br>
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            <div>Scott</div>
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            On May 2, 2019, at 7:18 AM, Adam Thompson <<a
              href="mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca"
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Instead of focusing on whether the
                  current proposal is or isn’t in scope, I suggest we
                  re-cast the discussion as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                    style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">So
                    far, we have unanimous community agreement that BGP
                    hijacking is bad.<o:p></o:p></li>
                  <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                    style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">So
                    far, we have broad agreement that “something ought
                    to be done” about BGP hijacking, although detailed
                    opinions vary significantly.<o:p></o:p></li>
                  <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                    style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">So
                    what (else)
                    <b><u>can</u></b> ARIN do about it?  (Caveat: the
                    answer “<i>nothing</i>” is unacceptable to a
                    significant proportion of PPML participants.)<o:p></o:p></li>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">My suggested direction to the AC
                  and/or the board would therefore be:  <b><i><u>Find</u></i></b>
                  something ARIN can do to help combat the problem (more
                  effectively).  If this requires expanding the scope of
                  ARIN’s operations or policies, bring that back to the
                  membership (possibly via PPML?) with the accompanying
                  financial & legal analysis, as usual.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Now the question becomes: what is
                  the most appropriate mechanism, within ARIN’s existing
                  policies, to bring a request like that to the AC
                  and/or Board?  It seems clear to me that the petition
                  already underway here is not meeting, and will not
                  meet, the needs of the community very well.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">-Adam<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA"
                      lang="EN-US">Adam Thompson</span></b><span
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                    Consultant, Infrastructure Services<br>
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                    Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8<br>
                    (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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