<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:45 AM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Not sure if this is really the main discussion but the point
about owning IP addresses was an example of something that is
actually the correct way it works, despite what happens in
practice people don't own it, cannot sell it (even if they believe
they have the absolute right to sell - excluding legacy cases).
The fact is that it CAN be revoked as it is not their property as
something that you buy.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Fernando,</div><div><br></div><div>Respectfully, you can repeat that claim as much as you want but until ARIN actually tries and then survives a precedent-setting court challenge it's just a theory and not, IMHO, a strong one,</div><div><br></div><div>As we evaluate the proposal, legal risk is one of the things we'll want to consider. If ARIN tries to enforce a revocation and loses, the policies which permit them to reject registration changes land on much shakier ground. ARIN could end up a pure registry without any policy role despite what its members want. That's one reason the organization has been so reluctant to try.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:46 AM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>> ARIN has full operational control over the ARIN registry, so if you believe that your issued IP address blocks are the rights to specific entries in the ARIN registry, then you certainly don’t have any property rights to same. ARIN does administer the ARIN registry in accordance with the community-developed policies. and that enforcement includes revocations of address space from parties for reasons other than non-payment.<br>><br>> If you believe that your “IP addresses” are something other than the assigned rights to entries in the ARIN registry, then that’s fine - many people in this world have interesting beliefs, but that doesn’t affect in the least the ability of ARIN to administer its registry per the community-developed policies. <div><br></div><div>John,</div><div><br></div><div>I own <a href="http://199.33.224.0/23" target="_blank">199.33.224.0/23</a>. That little corner of the Internet address space is mine. If you think ARIN can change its registration such that an ISP will no longer determine from looking up the record that I have the exclusive right to those addresses on the Internet and you think ARIN will survive a suit for tortious interference and whatever else a lawyer and I can come up with as a consequence, go right ahead and change it.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't think you can. I'm very confident you won't. ARIN's history in court is one of settlement after settlement, carefully avoiding having the judge set a precedent even when policies had to be stretched to breaking like they were for Microsoft/Nortel.</div><div><br></div><div>Actions speak louder than words. ARIN's actions say it's not at all confident it has the power you suggest here. Your actions have credibility. I believe them.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Bill Herrin</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="m_-5014600305711315642gmail_signature">William Herrin ................ <a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" target="_blank">herrin@dirtside.com</a> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br>Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <<a href="http://www.dirtside.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dirtside.com/</a>></div></div></div>