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<p>Not sure if this is really the main discussion but the point
about owning IP addresses was an example of something that is
actually the correct way it works, despite what happens in
practice people don't own it, cannot sell it (even if they believe
they have the absolute right to sell - excluding legacy cases).
The fact is that it CAN be revoked as it is not their property as
something that you buy.<br>
In my view believing that someone "own" IP addresses has just the
propose to be able to use it for what is not intended or was never
thought (like sell it, speculate, etc). Address Space is to make
the Internet work where it should not for people use in a very
private and out of what is was always intended to.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:50
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they "own" IP address space and nobody can <br>
take it from them as if it was a router or a server
purchased with a <br>
invoice and declared in their annual balance ?<br>
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<div>Several reasons.</div>
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<div>1. Revocation of a properly registered address space has
never happened before, at least not in North America. The
few times any sort of revocation has happened is when there
was provable fraud in the -original- application, ownership
was claimed by someone who was provably acting without the
authorization of the original registrant, or periodic
registratino fees consented to under written contract with
ARIN were not paid for an extended period of time. Over
ARIN's existence there have been plenty of opportunities for
ARIN to revoke addresses for other bad behaviors including
violations of the policy manual. They have always declined
to do so.</div>
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<div> The legal Doctrine of Laches more or less says that a
right not enforced is a right you do not have, regardless of
writings to the contrary. ARIN has never enforced a claim
incompatible with the registrants' ownership of their IP
addresses.<br>
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<div>2. Prior to 1997, the documents associated with
registration neither expressed nor implied any right for the
registry to revoke a registration for any reason. <br>
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<div>3. If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. The registrant
has exclusive control of the block of the number resource to
the extent that use by anyone else on the Internet is
universally held to be abusive. They can be sold or rented
without permission or attachment and bought with minimal
registration paperwork (or none if you're willing to operate
on a contract with the averred registrant rather than
updating the registration). Addresses are used in a manner
that closely aligns with the common law understanding of an
intellectual property. For a court to find otherwise, a
litigant would have to affirmatively prove that this thing
which quacks like a duck is in fact a zebra. This has not
been done and there is reason to believe it is not doable.</div>
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<div>That's why folks like me believe we own our IP addresses.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Bill Herrin</div>
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