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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I understand that, but I’m not convinced that will be useful because then folks regardless in favor or against the policy text, may not yet respond to the petition as we get engaged in discussing what is good or bad in the text and how sort it out. I’ve seen that already in several messages that support/oppose to the proposal when in fact the question is a different one (the petition and not actually responding to that).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My view is that people that will like to get answers and participate in the process should first support the petition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is clear that in general in any RIR, it should be possible to speak about ideas on policies, but in this case is not anymore “just an idea”, so the right way to support it, is to seek the adoption as a draft policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Of course, I may be wrong, but this is my perception right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 29/4/19 21:03, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Paul Andersen" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:paul@arin.net">paul@arin.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>A small point on your post below. I read your comment below that you feel that discussion of your policy idea is not possible until accepted. This is not in fact the case as it relates to PPML. As you can see from the mailing list description (posted below) there is no need for a policy idea to have a formal number to be discussed. As long as posts fall within the mailing list AUP free discussion is encouraged. Historically we even saw many policy ideas get early feedback on PPML prior to them becoming formal policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So I think continued feedback on your proposal should be encouraged. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>—<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Paul Andersen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>>>>>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of ARIN’s Policy Development Process, which details how proposed policies are handled.<br><br>Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics, and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the proposal number or draft policy number in the subject field. Please retain the policy number in the subject line when you make comments about specific proposals or draft policies. Your post or reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more easily and make your position clear.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><<<<<<o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Apr 29, 2019, at 2:28 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Right, I was about to respond as well, but I think at this stage we should keep the discussion on the petition.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>All those details could be agreed once we have the proposal adopted for the discussion. In fact, we have a new version ready (v2, being published in RIPE soon) with have a lot of additional details on that, which is part of the outcome of several weeks of discussion on our RIPE v1 of this proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'><br>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 29/4/19 20:17, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de William Herrin" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><span style='color:purple'>arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>en nombre de<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us"><span style='color:purple'>bill@herrin.us</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Mike Arbrouet <<a href="mailto:mike@brainiacsquad.com"><span style='color:purple'>mike@brainiacsquad.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>> Can anyone (policy expert) help me out with some ambiguities<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>> regarding the selection procedures of the Expert's Pool? These<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>> clarifications are important for me to be able to make a decision on<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>> supporting/rejecting the [arin-ppml] Open Petition for <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>> ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation.<br><br>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Respectfully, we're at a different part of the conversation here. The only decision you're asked to make about the petition is whether we should be discussing the proposal at all. The formulation of the experts pool (or whether the proposal retains a shape that needs an experts pool) is a discussion for later (or never) depending on your choice on the petition.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>As you decide whether to support the petition, the petition to discuss and work on the proposal, consider: you dived in to and discussed the proposal's details.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Bill Herrin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>William Herrin ................<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>herrin@dirtside.com</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>bill@herrin.us</span></a><br>Dirtside Systems ......... 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