<div><div dir="auto">I support this policy.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 11:04 PM, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: LAST CALL - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC<br>
Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
(Owen DeLong)<br>
2. Re: LAST CALL - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC<br>
Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
(Martin Hannigan)<br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:58:25 -0700<br>
From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
To: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br>
Cc: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>>, ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL - Recommended Draft Policy<br>
ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or<br>
Reallocation<br>
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Support? Implementation ASAP, please.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:27 , David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> There have been relatively few comments on this policy on PPML since the text was revised in late January. Although, it seems to have been well supported at the Barbados meeting. <br>
> <br>
> ARIN 43 transcript;<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9</a>><br>
> <br>
> ARIN 43 Video for presentation;<br>
> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU</a> <<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU</a>><br>
> <br>
> ARIN 43 Presentation Slide deck;<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf</a>><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf</a>><br>
> <br>
> It is therefore particularly important for anyone who objects to this policy or thinks this policy will create issues for their organization to speak up during this clast call period. <br>
> <br>
> Even if you support the policy, comments regarding the proper timeline for implementation are of interest. How long will your organization need to adapt to these changes? <br>
> <br>
> All comments are appreciated.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you.<br>
> <br>
> David Farmer<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 1:04 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 10 April 2019 and decided to send <br>
> the following Recommended Draft Policy to Last Call:<br>
> <br>
> ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or <br>
> Reallocation<br>
> <br>
> Feedback is encouraged during the Last Call period. All comments should <br>
> be provided to the Public Policy Mailing List. Last Call will expire on <br>
> 29 April 2019.<br>
> <br>
> The Recommended Draft Policy text is below and available at:<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a>><br>
> <br>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a> <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a>><br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Sean Hopkins<br>
> Policy Analyst<br>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation <br>
> Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
> <br>
> AC Assessment of Conformance with the Principles of Internet Number <br>
> Resource Policy:<br>
> <br>
> This recommended draft policy: (1) enables fair and impartial number <br>
> administration as it ensures that ARIN has the means to communicate with <br>
> organizations receiving reallocations or detailed reassignments, and <br>
> does so in a clear, complete, concise and unambiguous manner; (2) is <br>
> technically sound in that it supports ARIN?s ability to maintain the <br>
> unique registration of Internet number resources; and (3) has community <br>
> support.<br>
> <br>
> Problem Statement:<br>
> <br>
> Some ISPs assign individuals to be POCs for reassigned blocks without <br>
> consultation of the individual they are inserting into Whois. For <br>
> example, during the reassignment/reallocation process, some large ISPs <br>
> automatically create POCs from their customer?s order form. This process <br>
> is automated for many ISPs and therefore the resulting POCs are not <br>
> validated prior to being created in the ARIN Whois database. This <br>
> creates unknowing POCs that have no idea what Whois is or even who ARIN <br>
> is at the time they receive the annual POC validation email. It can also <br>
> create multiple POCs per email address causing that same person to <br>
> receive a multitude of POC Validation emails each year.<br>
> <br>
> This policy proposal seeks to prevent the situation where a POC is <br>
> unwittingly and unintentionally inserted into Whois. Doing so will <br>
> reduce the significant amount of time that ARIN staff spend fielding <br>
> phone calls from POCs who have no idea they are in Whois.<br>
> <br>
> The proposal will improve the overall POC validation situation, by <br>
> ensuring that all reallocation or detailed reassignment requests are <br>
> related to a pre-existing receiving organization with at least one valid <br>
> POC object, and by requesting that any other existing invalid POC <br>
> objects are validated.<br>
> <br>
> Policy statement:<br>
> <br>
> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:<br>
> <br>
> 3.7 POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
> <br>
> When a request for reallocation or detailed reassignment is made to <br>
> ARIN, the receiving organization must already be in the ARIN database <br>
> and associated with at least one validated POC object. If there are no <br>
> validated POC objects associated with the receiving organization, ARIN <br>
> shall reject the request.<br>
> <br>
> In addition to notifying the requester, ARIN will also notify, via <br>
> email, all POCs associated with the receiving organization, whether the <br>
> request was successful or not, and will request validation of any <br>
> invalid POC objects associated with the receiving organization.<br>
> <br>
> Note: Simple reassignments are made without any linkage to an <br>
> organization or POC objects in the ARIN database.<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:03:55 -0400<br>
From: Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>, David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL - Recommended Draft Policy<br>
ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or<br>
Reallocation<br>
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Owen ? as you and I both know this is way better than status quo. While it<br>
is far from perfect it is good enough to get started.<br>
<br>
+1<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 22:58 Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Support? Implementation ASAP, please.<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:27 , David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> There have been relatively few comments on this policy on PPML since the<br>
> text was revised in late January. Although, it seems to have been well<br>
> supported at the Barbados meeting.<br>
><br>
> ARIN 43 transcript;<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_9</a><br>
><br>
> ARIN 43 Video for presentation;<br>
> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfZ128IqMU</a><br>
><br>
> ARIN 43 Presentation Slide deck;<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12_intro.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_43/PDF/PPM/2017_12.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> It is therefore particularly important for anyone who objects to this<br>
> policy or thinks this policy will create issues for their organization to<br>
> speak up during this clast call period.<br>
><br>
> Even if you support the policy, comments regarding the proper timeline for<br>
> implementation are of interest. How long will your organization need to<br>
> adapt to these changes?<br>
><br>
> All comments are appreciated.<br>
><br>
> Thank you.<br>
><br>
> David Farmer<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 1:04 PM ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 10 April 2019 and decided to send<br>
>> the following Recommended Draft Policy to Last Call:<br>
>><br>
>> ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or<br>
>> Reallocation<br>
>><br>
>> Feedback is encouraged during the Last Call period. All comments should<br>
>> be provided to the Public Policy Mailing List. Last Call will expire on<br>
>> 29 April 2019.<br>
>><br>
>> The Recommended Draft Policy text is below and available at:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><br>
>><br>
>> The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Sean Hopkins<br>
>> Policy Analyst<br>
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: POC Notification and Validation<br>
>> Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
>><br>
>> AC Assessment of Conformance with the Principles of Internet Number<br>
>> Resource Policy:<br>
>><br>
>> This recommended draft policy: (1) enables fair and impartial number<br>
>> administration as it ensures that ARIN has the means to communicate with<br>
>> organizations receiving reallocations or detailed reassignments, and<br>
>> does so in a clear, complete, concise and unambiguous manner; (2) is<br>
>> technically sound in that it supports ARIN?s ability to maintain the<br>
>> unique registration of Internet number resources; and (3) has community<br>
>> support.<br>
>><br>
>> Problem Statement:<br>
>><br>
>> Some ISPs assign individuals to be POCs for reassigned blocks without<br>
>> consultation of the individual they are inserting into Whois. For<br>
>> example, during the reassignment/reallocation process, some large ISPs<br>
>> automatically create POCs from their customer?s order form. This process<br>
>> is automated for many ISPs and therefore the resulting POCs are not<br>
>> validated prior to being created in the ARIN Whois database. This<br>
>> creates unknowing POCs that have no idea what Whois is or even who ARIN<br>
>> is at the time they receive the annual POC validation email. It can also<br>
>> create multiple POCs per email address causing that same person to<br>
>> receive a multitude of POC Validation emails each year.<br>
>><br>
>> This policy proposal seeks to prevent the situation where a POC is<br>
>> unwittingly and unintentionally inserted into Whois. Doing so will<br>
>> reduce the significant amount of time that ARIN staff spend fielding<br>
>> phone calls from POCs who have no idea they are in Whois.<br>
>><br>
>> The proposal will improve the overall POC validation situation, by<br>
>> ensuring that all reallocation or detailed reassignment requests are<br>
>> related to a pre-existing receiving organization with at least one valid<br>
>> POC object, and by requesting that any other existing invalid POC<br>
>> objects are validated.<br>
>><br>
>> Policy statement:<br>
>><br>
>> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:<br>
>><br>
>> 3.7 POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation<br>
>><br>
>> When a request for reallocation or detailed reassignment is made to<br>
>> ARIN, the receiving organization must already be in the ARIN database<br>
>> and associated with at least one validated POC object. If there are no<br>
>> validated POC objects associated with the receiving organization, ARIN<br>
>> shall reject the request.<br>
>><br>
>> In addition to notifying the requester, ARIN will also notify, via<br>
>> email, all POCs associated with the receiving organization, whether the<br>
>> request was successful or not, and will request validation of any<br>
>> invalid POC objects associated with the receiving organization.<br>
>><br>
>> Note: Simple reassignments are made without any linkage to an<br>
>> organization or POC objects in the ARIN database.<br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> ARIN-PPML<br>
>> You <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=are+receiving+this+me&entry=gmail&source=g">are receiving this me</a>ssage because you are subscribed to<br>
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>> Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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> Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>
> Office of Information Technology<br>
> University of Minnesota<br>
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