<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 10, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Bill Murdoch <<a href="mailto:bill@clearskyconnections.ca" class="">bill@clearskyconnections.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" dir="auto" contenteditable="false" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: initial; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; outline: none;" class=""><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class="">Working with remote and rural community's...</div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class="">"customers have autonomy in selection of their service providers" .</div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class="">For a major urban center autonomy in selection is an option. For the realities of communities just a couple hundred kilometres away from urban centres, choices (if any) become fewer. For remote communities, typically only the one option. </div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Not necessarily… San Jose, CA is a major urban center. Autonomy in selection isn’t really an option for most of San Jose.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" dir="auto" contenteditable="false" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: initial; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; outline: none;" class=""><div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width: 950px;" class=""><br style="" class=""></div><div id="blackberry_signature_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto" class=""><div id="_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto" class="">Sent from my BlackBerry — the most secure mobile device</div></div></div><div id="_original_msg_header_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><table id="_pHCWrapper_BBPPID" width="100%" contenteditable="false" style="background-color: white; border-spacing: 0px; display: table; outline: none;" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, "BB Alpha Sans", "Slate Pro"; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div id="from" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jrhett@netconsonance.com" class="">jrhett@netconsonance.com</a></div><div id="sent" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>April 10, 2019 12:53</div><div id="to" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a></div><div id="cc" class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></div><div id="subject" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br class=""></div><div name="BB10" dir="auto" contenteditable="false" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; line-height: initial; outline: none;" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">(off topic)</div><div class="">> customers have autonomy in selection of their service providers</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ha ha haah=ahaaahahahahah oh wow. *MAYBE* in the commercial space. I surveyed all of my friends and family at one point and got over 800+ replies all across the US, and only 4-- FOUR == a small fraction of a percent!! -- had a choice of providers for at least 10+Mb/sec internet service.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe Canada has it better, but I haven't heard that the Caribbean has significant choice either. Mexico has the same non-overlap in the market as the US.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On topic for ARIN but not for African ISPs: I don't think that ARIN policy should revolve around Republican beliefs that the market always provides competition. History shows that the market will choose not to compete whenever possible, and will even strike agreements not to compete. Thus ARIN has a responsibility IMHO to ensure that customers receive baseline services -- to whatever extent it is possible within ARIN's charter.<br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 6:44 AM John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="">On 9 Apr 2019, at 9:33 AM, Job Snijders <<a href="mailto:job@ntt.net" class="">job@ntt.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><font color="#5856d6" class=""></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><font color="#5856d6" class="">I'd like to draw the community's attention to the following joint<br class="">announcement from two of Africa's largest IP transit providers. </font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="">...<br class=""><div class=""><div class="">It should be incontestable now that ARIN resource holders are at a<br class="">disadvantage when it comes to RPKI services.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">Job - </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Indeed. It’s similarly incontestable that customers of those service providers are at a disadvantage to customers of other service provider in Africa that do provide complete routing validation including for ARIN-region resource holders. One of the benefits of our loosely coordinated Internet is that service providers have autonomy in how they run their network, and customers have autonomy in selection of their service providers. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/John</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">John Curran</div><div class="">President and CEO</div><div class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" class="">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br class=""></blockquote></div><br clear="all" class=""><br class=""></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Jo Rhett</div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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