<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+ 1 Dave’s wording below. To me this seems more clear than previous iterations that have been discussed, incidental doesn’t imply a time limit on things like temporary does. I agree that moving the sentence to the end is better also.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 14, 2018, at 12:20 PM, David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" class="">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Yes, moving the sentence to the end of the section is probably even a better solution.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, looking at the sentence a little more closely. Using reassignment, or assignment for that matter, twice in the same sentence sounds a little circular or possibly self-contradictory to me. Also, incidental seems like a good additional word for describing what we mean in this situation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">in·ci·den·tal</div><div class=""><div class="">1. accompanying but not a major part of something.</div></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-weight: 100; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-weight: 400; text-align: start; float: none; display: inline;" class="">·</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>occurring by chance in connection with something else.</span><br class=""></div><div class="">2. <span style="font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-weight: 100; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class="">liable to happen as a consequence of (an activity).</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-weight: 100; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class=""><font face="Roboto, arial, sans-serif" class="">tem·po·rar·y</font><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><div style="font-size: small; font-weight: 100; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: left;" class=""><span class="">1</span>.</div><div style="font-size: small; font-weight: 100; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin-left: 20px;" class=""><div class="m_2784742671703923304gmail-PNlCoe m_2784742671703923304gmail-XpoqFe" style="font-size: small;"><div style="display: inline;" class=""><span class="">lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.</span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: small; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class="">The point is even a permanent but incidental use should not be considered a<span style="float: none; display: inline;" class=""><span class=""> </span>reassignment.</span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div>+1<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">So, how about;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">Note that the incidental or temporary use of address space by third parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 9:52 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="ES" class=""><div class="m_2784742671703923304gmail-m_5979602445741735866gmail-m_-8362571971401726847WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Unless I’m missing anything (in other regions we have “sub-assignment”), I think it works for me.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">May be a way to shorten it is to use the proposed sentence, but after all the definitions:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">2.5. Allocation, Assignment, Reallocation, Reassignment<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Allocation - Address space delegated to an organization directly by ARIN for the purpose of subsequent distribution by the recipient organization to other parties.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Assignment - Address space delegated to an organization directly by ARIN for the exclusive use of the recipient organization.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Reallocation - Address space sub-delegated to an organization by an upstream provider for the purpose of subsequent distribution by the recipient organization to other parties.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Reassignment - Address space sub-delegated to an organization by an upstream provider for the exclusive use of the recipient organization.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Note that a temporary reassignment of address space provided to third parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.</span><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Regards,</span></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Jordi</span></p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">De:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> en nombre de David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank" class="">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Fecha:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>martes, 14 de agosto de 2018, 8:44<br class=""><b class="">Para:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Asunto:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Because of recent changes, editorial if I remember correctly, section 2.5 now reads as;<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">2.5. Allocation, Assignment, Reallocation, Reassignment<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Allocation - Address space delegated to an organization directly by ARIN for the purpose of subsequent distribution by the recipient organization to other parties.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Assignment - Address space delegated to an organization directly by ARIN for the exclusive use of the recipient organization.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Reallocation - Address space sub-delegated to an organization by an upstream provider for the purpose of subsequent distribution by the recipient organization to other parties.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Reassignment - Address space sub-delegated to an organization by an upstream provider for the exclusive use of the recipient organization.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">This proposal essentially adds the following sentence to "<span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Assignment" above.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">A temporary assignment of address space provided to third parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">However, I propose the following minor change to that;<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">A temporary reassignment of address space provided to third parties shall not be considered a reassignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">Further, the sentence should also apply to "<span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Reassignment". So, does the sentence also need to be added to "Reassignment"? Or maybe add the following sentence to "Reassignment";</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left: 30pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Excluding temporary reassignments, as discussed in the definition Assignment above. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Thanks</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;">On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:39 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><br class="">The following has been revised and retitled:<br class=""><br class="">* Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments<br class=""><br class="">Formerly:<br class=""><br class="">* Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments<br class=""><br class="">Revised text is below and can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_4.html" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pr<wbr class="">oposals/2018_4.html</a><br class=""><br class="">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br class=""><br class="">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br class="">* Technically Sound<br class="">* Supported by the Community<br class=""><br class="">The PDP can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pd<wbr class="">p.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pr<wbr class="">oposals/index.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Sean Hopkins<br class="">Policy Analyst<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments<br class=""><br class="">Problem Statement:<br class=""><br class="">When the policy was drafted, the concept of assignments/sub-assignments did not consider the use of IP addresses in hotspots, or the use of IP addresses by guests or employees in Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) and many other similar cases.<br class=""><br class="">Additionally, the IETF has recently approved the use of a unique IPv6 /64 prefix per interface/host (RFC8273) instead of a unique address. This, for example, allows users to connect to a hotspot, receive a /64 such that they are "isolated" from other users (for reasons of security, regulatory requirements, etc.) and they can also use multiple virtual machines on their devices with a unique address for each one (within the same /64).<br class=""><br class="">Section 2.5 (Definitions/Allocate and Assign), explicitly prohibits such assignments, stating that "Assignments... are not to be sub-assigned to other parties".<br class=""><br class="">This proposal clarifies this situation in this regard and better define the concept, particularly considering new uses of IPv6 (RFC8273), by means of additional language added to the definition of an Assignment.<br class=""><br class="">Note that the proposal text also incorporates changes made under an Editorial Change currently awaiting Board of Trustees review, available here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_11.html" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pr<wbr class="">oposals/2017_11.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Policy Statement:<br class=""><br class="">Actual Text, Section 2.5:<br class=""><br class="">• Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or end-user, for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate. Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.<br class=""><br class="">New Text:<br class=""><br class="">• Assignment - Address space delegated to an organization directly by ARIN for the exclusive use of the recipient organization. A temporary assignment of address space provided to third parties shall not be considered an assignment or a violation of the exclusive use criterion.<br class=""><br class="">Comments<br class=""><br class="">Timetable for implementation:<br class=""><br class="">Immediate<br class=""><br class="">Anything else:<br class=""><br class="">Situation in other regions:<br class=""><br class="">This situation, has already been corrected in RIPE, and the policy was updated in a similar way, even if right now there is a small discrepancy between the policy text that reached consensus and the RIPE NCC Impact Analysis. 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