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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 13, 2018 6:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Job Snijders <job@ntt.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you operate a network with peering sessions, and you are forced to renumber your ASN, you either need to convince all of your peers to set up new sessions (which can be a lot of work, and usually means at least some of them will refuse/fail
to do so), or you need to local-as prepend the old ASN onto your new one, resulting in a longer AS path over that session. Both outcomes are disruptive to a network's ability to maintain peering.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Given that there are valid technical and business justifications for needing to keep the same ASN on a network whose locus of control switches continents, I believe it is appropriate to allow organizations who need to do so to transfer
administrative control of their ASN between RIRs, and therefore support this draft policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While it is certainly possible for some networks to easily renumber their ASN, that is not true of all networks, for valid technical reasons. I therefore do not find arguments of the "I've never needed to do that" or "I can't imagine why
someone would need to do that" informative or convincing. To my mind, the only argument that would justify opposing ASN transfers would be one that details how such transfers would be burdensome to the RIRs or to the Internet community more generally, and
would further show that such burden is greater than the benefit to those organizations it would help. As I, Job, and others have detailed the kind of organization that would be benefited by this proposal, it's not sufficient to assert that such organization
do not (or should not) exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Job Snijders <<a href="mailto:job@ntt.net">job@ntt.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 01:23, Larry Ash <<a href="mailto:lar@mwtcorp.net" target="_blank">lar@mwtcorp.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 14:42 , Job Snijders <<a href="mailto:job@ntt.net" target="_blank">job@ntt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> I agree with the proposal.<br>
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>> I think this proposal is needed and addresses practical concerns: the alternative to transfers is “renumbering”, and renumbering
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>>ASNs is a very costly and operationally risky proposition. There is no upside to restricting or forbidding this type of resource
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even if you don’t see a need, would you want to preclude others from transferring their resource if they concluded it is a requirement for their business operation?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m puzzled by your statement. Renumbering an ASN may involve operations on hundreds of routers and tens of thousands of BGP sessions - such renumbering clearly is costly and operationally risky.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Transferring a resource from one RIR to another RIR is paperwork between RIRs - no router changes. A transfer and a renumbering don’t seem comparable at all. Do you consider IPv4 transfers costly and risky too?<o:p></o:p></p>
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