<div dir="ltr">I aggree with Owen's view on this matter.<div><br></div><div>There is nothing special about the specific set of numbers, just the right to use a set of number for a given prupose.</div><div><br></div><div>There is no shortage of these types of numbers. </div><div>I think our community rejected the arguement that somone couldn't make an ASN larger than 65535 work. </div><div><br></div><div>That being said we should provide some flexibility in helping people transition between the old and new numbers.</div><div>I don't beleive we need a policy around this.</div><div><br><div><br></div><div>__Jason</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">IMHO, yes.<div><br></div><div>For A), I’m not sure I see the need to support these transactions. We don’t support them for IPv6 (nor do I think we want to).</div><div>Sales of IPv4 addresses were a stop-gap to deal with a situation of scarcity, free pool exhaustion, and getting by until v6</div><div>is widely enough deployed. Hopefully they will eventually go away and we can return to more traditional forms of resource management.</div><div><br></div><div>For B), I’m still not convinced. They can’t move their IPv6 resources (nor do I think we want to support doing so). The ability to move their IPv4 resources is largely an artifact of the same scarcity/free pool exhaustion described above. However, my objections to solving this particular problem are a bit less than my objections to solving problem A).</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></font></span><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>On Feb 1, 2018, at 06:51 , WOOD Alison * DAS <<a href="mailto:Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov" target="_blank">Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div class="m_-3293920076044157919WordSection1" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Thank you all for the excellent feedback on this draft.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Considering James’ suggestions, would the community prefer to take each point as a different proposal? They seem to be two different solutions to two different issues.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">-Alison<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@<wbr>arin.net</a>]<span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>james machado<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-3293920076044157919Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">So we seem to have 2 "problems" for this draft if I am reading correctly.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">A) An Entity wishes to buy/sell/transfer one or more ASN(s) to another Entity without regard of the destination RIR. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">B) Entity with one or more ASN(s) wishes to move one or more ASN(s) to a new RIR, possibly complementing an IP move, to begin/continue operations in the destination RIR.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">James<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span class=""><span 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