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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The transfer logs at APNIC and RIPE indicate that inter-regional transfers have been completed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I consider that objective evidence of need for this functionality. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Can somebody provide a downside to the approval of this policy?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Staff work? The heavy lifting has already been provided by APNIC and RIPE.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is it important for us to determine every possible reason why people need this functionality?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Shouldn’t our default position be trying to answer their need unless there is a reason not to?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owen DeLong<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 01, 2018 11:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> WOOD Alison * DAS <Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>IMHO, yes.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For A), I’m not sure I see the need to support these transactions. We don’t support them for IPv6 (nor do I think we want to).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sales of IPv4 addresses were a stop-gap to deal with a situation of scarcity, free pool exhaustion, and getting by until v6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is widely enough deployed. Hopefully they will eventually go away and we can return to more traditional forms of resource management.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For B), I’m still not convinced. They can’t move their IPv6 resources (nor do I think we want to support doing so). The ability to move their IPv4 resources is largely an artifact of the same scarcity/free pool exhaustion described above. However, my objections to solving this particular problem are a bit less than my objections to solving problem A).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 1, 2018, at 06:51 , WOOD Alison * DAS <<a href="mailto:Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov">Alison.WOOD@oregon.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'>Thank you all for the excellent feedback on this draft.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'>Considering James’ suggestions, would the community prefer to take each point as a different proposal? They seem to be two different solutions to two different issues.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'>Thanks!</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'>-Alison</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ARIN-PPML [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>james machado<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><span style='color:#954F72'>arin-ppml@arin.net</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional ASN Transfers<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>So we seem to have 2 "problems" for this draft if I am reading correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>A) An Entity wishes to buy/sell/transfer one or more ASN(s) to another Entity without regard of the destination RIR. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>B) Entity with one or more ASN(s) wishes to move one or more ASN(s) to a new RIR, possibly complementing an IP move, to begin/continue operations in the destination RIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>James<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span><a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif;color:#954F72'>ARIN-PPML@arin.net</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif'>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br></span><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif;color:#954F72'>http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif'><br>Please contact<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif;color:#954F72'>info@arin.net</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco",serif'>if you experience any issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>