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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry I didn’t address the regional imbalance issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It does seem to me that the demand for ASN transfers is larger in other regions than in ARIN, and there is no reason to believe that ARIN couldn’t be the source for ASN transfers since the same reasons cause ARIN to be a primary source for IPv4 transfers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That is a longer history of allocations and more short numbers in ARIN.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Chris Woodfield [mailto:chris@semihuman.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Inter-regional ASN transfers?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I personally don’t have much visibility into the resale market for short ASNs, so I’m curious - is there currently a relative supply/demand imbalance that could be alleviated by opening up the ARIN supply to other regions? Or is this meant to address future anticipated imbalances?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-C<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello list,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am debating a proposal to allow inter-regional ASN transfers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Short ASNs have value.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have brokered inter-regional ASN transfers between RIPE and APNIC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have been asked about an ASN transfer from ARIN to APNIC but ARIN policy forbids this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The last time this was considered, the proposal was abandoned due to a cost/benefit analysis, and I am wondering the same objections pertain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here are the reasons for the last abandonment:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid black 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 0in 0in 0in;margin-left:12.0pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>Regarding 2014-15:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>"The following substantive issues were noted by the AC in considering</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>this draft policy.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There is outstanding technical work which must be done prior to</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>implementation which would allow RPKI functionality for inter-RIR ASN</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>transfers</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There would be a significant time delay on the full implementation of</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>this policy</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-The implementation of 2014-15 requires agreement from all 5 RIRs on a</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>method to implement inter-RIR ASN transfers</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-Cleanup of the 2-byte ASN registry at IANA is required before this</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>policy could be fully implemented</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There is significant work which must be done to implement this policy</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>amongst all 5 RIRs with limited perceived overall benefit to the</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>community, especially when weighed against other competing priorities</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>While the AC believes that the limited corner case illuminated during</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>discussion of this draft policy is valid, it was noted that a valid</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>workaround, obtaining a new ASN in an appropriate RIR, is available for</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>all members of the community."</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Input from staff or community on the current status of these objections is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Considering how it works between RIPE and APNIC, maybe the work mentioned has been completed?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span><a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net"><span 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