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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We find demand for short ASNs, particularly in the APNIC region.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The top part of the APNIC transfer list shows a lot of ASN transfers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/transfer-logs/">https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/transfer-logs/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>They cost roughly $1K.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Chris Woodfield [mailto:chris@semihuman.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Inter-regional ASN transfers?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I personally don’t have much visibility into the resale market for short ASNs, so I’m curious - is there currently a relative supply/demand imbalance that could be alleviated by opening up the ARIN supply to other regions? Or is this meant to address future anticipated imbalances?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-C<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello list,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am debating a proposal to allow inter-regional ASN transfers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Short ASNs have value.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have brokered inter-regional ASN transfers between RIPE and APNIC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have been asked about an ASN transfer from ARIN to APNIC but ARIN policy forbids this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The last time this was considered, the proposal was abandoned due to a cost/benefit analysis, and I am wondering the same objections pertain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here are the reasons for the last abandonment:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid black 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 0in 0in 0in;margin-left:12.0pt;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>Regarding 2014-15:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>"The following substantive issues were noted by the AC in considering</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>this draft policy.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There is outstanding technical work which must be done prior to</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>implementation which would allow RPKI functionality for inter-RIR ASN</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>transfers</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There would be a significant time delay on the full implementation of</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>this policy</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-The implementation of 2014-15 requires agreement from all 5 RIRs on a</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>method to implement inter-RIR ASN transfers</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-Cleanup of the 2-byte ASN registry at IANA is required before this</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>policy could be fully implemented</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>-There is significant work which must be done to implement this policy</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>amongst all 5 RIRs with limited perceived overall benefit to the</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>community, especially when weighed against other competing priorities</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>While the AC believes that the limited corner case illuminated during</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>discussion of this draft policy is valid, it was noted that a valid</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>workaround, obtaining a new ASN in an appropriate RIR, is available for</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><span class=apple-converted-space><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>all members of the community."</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Input from staff or community on the current status of these objections is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Considering how it works between RIPE and APNIC, maybe the work mentioned has been completed?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span><a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net"><span 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