<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I personally don’t have much visibility into the resale market for short ASNs, so I’m curious - is there currently a relative supply/demand imbalance that could be alleviated by opening up the ARIN supply to other regions? Or is this meant to address future anticipated imbalances?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-C<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" class="">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello list,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am debating a proposal to allow inter-regional ASN transfers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Short ASNs have value.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We have brokered inter-regional ASN transfers between RIPE and APNIC.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We have been asked about an ASN transfer from ARIN to APNIC but ARIN policy forbids this.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The last time this was considered, the proposal was abandoned due to a cost/benefit analysis, and I am wondering the same objections pertain.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here are the reasons for the last abandonment:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: black; padding: 12pt 0in 0in; background-color: white; margin-left: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Regarding 2014-15:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"The following substantive issues were noted by the AC in considering<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>this draft policy.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-There is outstanding technical work which must be done prior to<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>implementation which would allow RPKI functionality for inter-RIR ASN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>transfers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-There would be a significant time delay on the full implementation of<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>this policy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-The implementation of 2014-15 requires agreement from all 5 RIRs on a<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>method to implement inter-RIR ASN transfers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-Cleanup of the 2-byte ASN registry at IANA is required before this<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>policy could be fully implemented<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-There is significant work which must be done to implement this policy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>amongst all 5 RIRs with limited perceived overall benefit to the<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>community, especially when weighed against other competing priorities<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>While the AC believes that the limited corner case illuminated during<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>discussion of this draft policy is valid, it was noted that a valid<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>workaround, obtaining a new ASN in an appropriate RIR, is available for<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">></span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Courier New"; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>all members of the community."<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Input from staff or community on the current status of these objections is appreciated.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Considering how it works between RIPE and APNIC, maybe the work mentioned has been completed?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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