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<p>I think this proposal will benefit the community. You have my +1
(and my offer to assist if you need a co-author)</p>
<p>elvis<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/18/17 11:20 AM, Mike Burns wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello list,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am debating a proposal to allow
inter-regional ASN transfers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Short ASNs have value.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have brokered inter-regional ASN
transfers between RIPE and APNIC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have been asked about an ASN transfer
from ARIN to APNIC but ARIN policy forbids this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The last time this was considered, the
proposal was abandoned due to a cost/benefit analysis, and I
am wondering the same objections pertain.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the reasons for the last
abandonment:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> Regarding 2014-15:<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> "The following substantive issues
were noted by the AC in considering<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> this draft policy.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> -There is outstanding technical work
which must be done prior to<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> implementation which would allow
RPKI functionality for inter-RIR ASN<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> transfers<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> -There would be a significant time
delay on the full implementation of<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> this policy<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> -The implementation of 2014-15
requires agreement from all 5 RIRs on a<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> method to implement inter-RIR ASN
transfers<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> -Cleanup of the 2-byte ASN registry
at IANA is required before this<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> policy could be fully implemented<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> -There is significant work which
must be done to implement this policy<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> amongst all 5 RIRs with limited
perceived overall benefit to the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> community, especially when weighed
against other competing priorities<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> While the AC believes that the
limited corner case illuminated during<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> discussion of this draft policy is
valid, it was noted that a valid<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> workaround, obtaining a new ASN in
an appropriate RIR, is available for<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in"> all members of the community."<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Input from staff or community on the
current status of these objections is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Considering how it works between RIPE and
APNIC, maybe the work mentioned has been completed? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p>
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