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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello list,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am debating a proposal to allow inter-regional ASN transfers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Short ASNs have value.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We have brokered inter-regional ASN transfers between RIPE and APNIC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We have been asked about an ASN transfer from ARIN to APNIC but ARIN policy forbids this.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The last time this was considered, the proposal was abandoned due to a cost/benefit analysis, and I am wondering the same objections pertain.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here are the reasons for the last abandonment:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid black 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 0in 0in 0in;background:white;margin-left:12.0pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> Regarding 2014-15:<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> "The following substantive issues were noted by the AC in considering<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> this draft policy.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> -There is outstanding technical work which must be done prior to<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> implementation which would allow RPKI functionality for inter-RIR ASN<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> transfers<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> -There would be a significant time delay on the full implementation of<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> this policy<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> -The implementation of 2014-15 requires agreement from all 5 RIRs on a<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> method to implement inter-RIR ASN transfers<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> -Cleanup of the 2-byte ASN registry at IANA is required before this<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> policy could be fully implemented<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> -There is significant work which must be done to implement this policy<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> amongst all 5 RIRs with limited perceived overall benefit to the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> community, especially when weighed against other competing priorities<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> While the AC believes that the limited corner case illuminated during<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> discussion of this draft policy is valid, it was noted that a valid<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> workaround, obtaining a new ASN in an appropriate RIR, is available for<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>></span><i><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'> all members of the community."<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white;border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Input from staff or community on the current status of these objections is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Considering how it works between RIPE and APNIC, maybe the work mentioned has been completed? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>Mike Burns<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>