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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Scott,  how would you feel about this
      proposed updated problem statement which focuses on the current
      issue rather than the past.<br>
      <br>
      Andrew<br>
      <br>
      <p><strong>Problem Statement: </strong></p>
      <p>It was noted at the ARIN 40 Policy Experience Report, that
        there is an inconsistency in the initial block size for ISPs.
        Section 4.2.2 notes that the initial ISP block size should be
        /21 whereas the initial block size in 8.5.4 is noted as "minimum
        transfer size" which is effectively a /24. This causes ISP
        organizations to be approved for different initial block size
        depending on if they first apply apply for a transfer directly
        under section 8 or if they apply for a block under section 4. 
        This policy is intended to clarify this issue, by setting a
        consistent ISP initial IPv4 block size. It was noted that ARIN
        staff current operational practice is to allow all ISPs an
        initial /21 for Section 8 transfers. <br>
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      On 11/21/2017 9:19 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:<br>
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      I’d be ok with a /21, but there’s nothing magical about that size
      in a post-exhaustion world. I’d rather base a loosening on actual
      transfer statistics, and consider doing so for both allocations
      and assignments. <br>
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        <div>Scott</div>
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        On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Dul <<a
          href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" moz-do-not-send="true">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div>It sounds like our recollections of what we intended for
            ISP initial allocations have diverged. I will admit when I
            drafted the problem statement I did not go back through
            email to see if there was anything about this issue.</div>
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          <div id="AppleMailSignature">Assuming we harmonize the problem
            statement, would you prefer the /24 as initial no questions
            asked size or a /21?</div>
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          <div id="AppleMailSignature">What do others prefer?</div>
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            .Andrew</div>
          <div><br>
            On Nov 21, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Scott Leibrand <<a
              href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com"
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            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">I believe this problem statement is
                incorrect, and therefore oppose the policy proposal
                as-is.
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                <div>8.5.4 was intended (by me, as one of the authors,
                  and in PPML discussions I just pulled up) to allow
                  ISPs to transfer a /24 without justification.  It was
                  *not* intended to "match the previous policy" in
                  4.2.2.</div>
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                <div>8.5.5 reads "8.5.5. Block size</div>
                <div>Organizations may qualify for the transfer of a
                  larger initial block, or an additional block, by
                  providing documentation to ARIN which details the use
                  of at least 50% of the requested IPv4 block size
                  within 24 months. An officer of the organization shall
                  attest to the documentation provided to ARIN."</div>
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                <div>The intention was that any ISP needing a /21 would
                  need to "provide documentation to ARIN which details
                  the use of at least 50% of the requested IPv4 block
                  size within 24 months", with officer attestation to
                  same.</div>
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                <div>If that policy is deemed insufficient, and we
                  believe it's better to allow transfers of up to /21
                  without providing documentation to ARIN and officer
                  attestation of such, then this proposal would need to
                  be re-written with a new problem statement justifying
                  that.</div>
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                <div>-Scott</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 2:40
                  PM, ARIN <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">info@arin.net</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
                    16 November 2017, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC)
                    advanced "ARIN-prop-244: Clarification of Initial
                    Block Size for IPv4 ISP Transfers" to Draft Policy
                    status.<br>
                    <br>
                    Draft Policy ARIN-2017-9 is below and can be found
                    at:<br>
                    <a
                      href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_9.html"
                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/policy/pr<wbr>oposals/2017_9.html</a><br>
                    <br>
                    You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on
                    PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order
                    to assess the conformance of this draft policy with
                    ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy
                    as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP).
                    Specifically, these principles are:<br>
                    <br>
                    * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource
                    Administration<br>
                    * Technically Sound<br>
                    * Supported by the Community<br>
                    <br>
                    The PDP can be found at:<br>
                    <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html"
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                    <br>
                    Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be
                    found at:<br>
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                    <br>
                    Regards,<br>
                    <br>
                    Sean Hopkins<br>
                    Policy Analyst<br>
                    American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Draft Policy ARIN-2017-9: Clarification of Initial
                    Block Size for IPv4 ISP Transfers<br>
                    <br>
                    Problem Statement:<br>
                    <br>
                    It was noted at the ARIN 40 Policy Experience
                    Report, that there is an inconsistency in the
                    initial block size for ISPs. Section 4.2.2 notes
                    that the initial ISP block size should be /21
                    whereas the initial block size in 8.5.4 is noted as
                    "minimum transfer size" which is effectively a /24.
                    The intent of the new 8.5.4 was to match the
                    previous policy. This policy is intended to clarify
                    this issue. It was noted that ARIN staff current
                    operational practice is to allow ISPs an initial /21
                    for Section 8 transfers.<br>
                    <br>
                    Policy statement:<br>
                    <br>
                    Add the following to 8.5.4<br>
                    <br>
                    ISP organizations without direct assignments or
                    allocations from ARIN qualify for an initial
                    allocation of up to a /21.<br>
                    <br>
                    Comments:<br>
                    <br>
                    a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
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