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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I see obstacles but increased fees would lead to greater efficiency in IPv4 assignments and usage or at the very least aid in the migration to IPv6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">A.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Charging a monthly fee (or higher monthly fee), means increased costs to end-users for whatever services said company provides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">B.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">ISP’s with VERY LARGE inventory of IPs would lobby against such a proposal. A typical ISP would have several /16’s in reservation - capacity planning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">C.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What’s to stop companies from doing what they do now? – Reassign or Reallocate unused inventory (ie trade and monetize via brokers).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Orin Roberts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Bagrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November-27-17 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Austin Murkland <austin.murkland@qscend.com>; Andre Dalle <adalle@ncf.ca><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’d also like to see a $100 monthly fee per IPv4 /24 currently assigned.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I held onto a /16 at a previous company, just because it was cool but had no use for it. I checked recently and it is still assigned to the same company and not being used 15 years later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By adding a $25k monthly fee, they would quickly return the block.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Currently we have to pay brokers or sellers to acquire more IPv4 space. I would rather pay ARIN which could go to better funding the organization.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> ARIN-PPML [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Austin Murkland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 27, 2017 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andre Dalle <<a href="mailto:adalle@ncf.ca">adalle@ncf.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also support this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Andre Dalle <<a href="mailto:adalle@ncf.ca" target="_blank">adalle@ncf.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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All my IPv4 space is reassigned, and I discovered last year that not all of it - from the same carrier - is properly associated with us.<br>
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Upstream created a POC for us (even though we were an existing customer with multiple reassignments), and it's been sluggish getting them to<br>
sort it out. We have rDNS, so most abuse reporting still finds us, but some abuse mechanisms out there rely on POC info.<br>
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So I think this is necessary. +100 from here as well.<br>
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André Dalle<br>
Systems Administrator<br>
National Capital FreeNet [<a href="http://www.ncf.ca" target="_blank">http://www.ncf.ca</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Joe Provo" <<a href="mailto:ppml@rsuc.gweep.net">ppml@rsuc.gweep.net</a>><br>
To: "ARIN-PPML List" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2017 11:01:59<br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment<br>
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 06:13:46PM -0500, David Huberman wrote:<br>
> Thank you Scott. As the co-author, I very much recognize this<br>
> proposal text is a ???first draft???. Working with my co-author<br>
> Jason Schiller, and having solicited feedback from the AC, this<br>
> proposal was submitted to solve the general problem. My hope was<br>
> the mechanics would be looked at critically by the community during<br>
> the PDP, and we would work together to improve them.<br>
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With my personal hat on I'm very happy to see this getting<br>
to discussion. +100 for intent and I look forward to useful<br>
language suggestions here.<br>
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Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header.<br>
Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling<br>
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